The whole 95C on AMD is a non issue once you consider how much the CPU actually draws, if its reasonable amount then the heat output will be fine.
But that’s assuming none of these CPU dont get too power hungry which what actually concerns me, but ill guess we’ll wait and see how the act in the real world
Both of them draw A LOT of power. 7950X was something like 250W 13900k 300W, I’m not sure it’s the same with manual Vcore. Power draw numbers for both high-end CPUs and GPUs are getting a bit ridiculous ngl. You need like a 1200W PSU or something to power these things
Yep. Going to be interesting to see what happens next cycle with Meteor Lake and Zen4+/Zen5. Intel will be moving to their 7nm process, and AMD should be moving to a new node from TSMC. The way tech media is going at them over power draw is reminiscent of how they went after case manufacturers for closed off front panels. We could see them decide to pull back on that and be a bit more conservative depending on what kind of performance gains the new process shrinks bring to the table.
I think AMD will probably rush out Zen4(+?) with 3D cache within 6 months and they probably wont conserve power draw for at least the next series. But then again who knows, that should be the tock? So some power optimizations are expected. AMD did make some headway with Zen 3 compared to Zen 2
It will be interesting to see what sort of video cards AMD comes out with. Should have news of that soonish.
Am I the only one who found it a strange “coincidence” that the update for Windows 11 that came out just a few days before the release of Intel 13th gen (allegedly) tanked AM5 performance?
Not to mention that (if I recall) Intel just happened to play a part in the development of Windows 11
I mean, it’s not entirely unthinkable that there could be come co-operation there somewhere. But personally, I am more into linux these days. I gave up on windows when I saw what they were doing with windows 11 and forced ads. on top of all the privacy invasions, and the purposeful obscurment of basic operating system tools to raise their metrics for ad placement… That was the last straw for me. Windows 10 is the last windows operating system i’ll use from microsoft.
So far my Linux self-training has been going well. The Steam Deck and the linux version of Steam OS is surprisingly compatible with most games, and valve is really putting a huge amount of work into it, there are lots of regular updates making it better all the time.
Anyway, i’m done with windows till Microsoft gets rid of all the ads in their OS, and removes the spyware. That would get me to reconsider using windows in the future. But I doubt they will ever do that.
(as an aside, optical outputs work great with most audio equipment) 
Windows 11 tanked AMD performance from the get go. I think it’s something to do with WDDM 3, which IIRC also caused issues for AMD with Windows 10 at various times. AMD have always been slower than Intel and Nvidia to update their drivers. Whether that’s on them or Microsoft not giving them access, who knows?
AMD is much smaller than both Nvidia and Intel (on Intel, factor in they also are running Fabs).
True but they’re not exactly a mom & pop store.
AMD has acknowledged the issue and is releasing a chipset driver update soon.
AM5 is a brand new platform that is going to have these kinds of teething issues. And it isn’t like random Windows updates aren’t prone to doing that for everyone. Heck, for all of the supposed work that Intel put in with Microsoft in developing the scheduler for Windows 11 to properly utilize their E-cores on Alder Lake, it didn’t even work properly when Win11 launched. This is really just more the same of Microsoft being incompetent.
It also isn’t the first time an update from Windows 11 only slowed down AMD CPUs and nothing else.
I probably should have typed that second sentence better. I meant that random Windows updates have been consistently known to harm performance from one or more of the them. Sometimes it hits all of them, sometimes it only hits the GPU side, sometimes it hits the CPU side, sometimes it only hits AMD, sometimes it only hits Intel, sometimes it only hits NVIDIA. Has it hit AMD more often? I would hazard a guess that it has, based on them being smaller than the other two and being largely out of the CPU game for the 6 or 7 years before Zen1. But I have no evidence to support that.
I think it also relate to the way they design the processor itself, being that AMD uses a chiplet design but what ever it might be i doubt it actually hurts thier sales
It may also be the timing of it that has me suspicious. Could just be me being paranoid.
It probably is. Like I said, it’s a brand new platform. This was 100% going to happen. Just like it will happen to Intel next year sometime shortly after Meteor Lake comes out. What with it moving to a chiplet design on-top of the continued P-core/E-core set-up.
Provided they don’t pull a 10nm delay (endless 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++) and repeatedly rework Skylake (what was it, 10th or 11th gen when it was finally something completely new?)
Oh no, it was 12th Gen. But I haven’t heard anything about their 7nm process suffering the same issues as their 10nm. They actually have the EUV machines that they need now, after all.
