Let's talk about Windows 11

Remember when their OSs are simple but intuitive back then? Yeah I still remember, XP and the 7 days were the shit. Also the days when Windows 8 came out back then sucked ass, same with me when Windows 10 came.

Therefore, I will wait for Windows 11 to be at least, tolerable or stable enough to be used without any recurring issues, meaning I am not upgrading to it anytime soon for Windows 10 already gave me a lot of hassle back then.

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I agree!

I miss the simplicity.

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To be fair XP (before service pack 1) and 7 when it launched were pretty bad. XP had the advantage of bringing a lot of new things to people so we felt with the issues and by the time Vista rolled around XP was nice and stable. 7 would have been seen as a mediocre OS at best for a year or so after it’s launch, but luckily for it the previous OS was just fundamentally broken in so many ways that it seemed better then it was.

I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the system requirements yet. The two biggest things that stood out to me are…

  • TPM module (and secure boot capability) required
  • “Microsoft account and internet connectivity required for setup for Windows Home”

via
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/
and
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

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yes…and that alone is going to kill a lot of Windows 10 upgrade paths.

It seems those requirements might be an accident, maybe left in from internal builds. It still allows a local account to be created and the TPM requirement isn’t enforced. They did something similar with Windows 8 and 10, they’re more like strong suggestions (don’t do nothin’ stupid, doc).

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I’m excited for the performance improvements this update/upgrade will bring with the new scheduler. Increased telemetry and privacy violations were expected but still annoying. I dual boot Win10 and Ubuntu Budgie about 80/20, the only thing keeping keeping me from using Linux more at this point, is the frankly immature sound solutions available on Linux. However one thing W11 has me excited for is the centered taskbar, didn’t realize I’d benefit from it so much until I got an ultrawide and have been craning my neck to the far bottom left of my screen for months :sweat_smile:

My take on the whole thing is… meh. I do miss Win7 still. 10 angered me for a long time but I am OK with it now. It works fine and is somewhat stable, so I will not be rushing out to get 11, just like I didn’t rush out and get 10. Until the Linux community gets truly serious about putting out a good and complete desktop solution, Windows / Office is what you have.

I still say the closest anyone ever came to putting out a complete desktop solution that could beat Windows was OS/2, but it never gained enough traction to be fully developed and there was too much inner BS at IBM to pull it off. So we are stuck with Windows 11. Meh.

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Guess my only computer that will be able to run windows 11 is my new Lenovo laptop, if i got the requirements right.

My gaming pc, is a now an outdated i7-3770k, my other computer is a i5-4670. I do have a 2 other computers, but those are old and low spec machines i use as mediapc in my basement “mancave” and the living room, non who will run windows 11 due to the requirements.

Im pretty happy with windows 10 in general though, but i would love to have a bit more control over stuff like windows update and the reboots required with them. And there are a few niggles like the search function giving me bing results instead of installed apps when searching for them. And im also no fan of all the telemetry that goes back to Microsoft… Also, this goes for windows 8 and probably windows 11 too, why do we have different “layers” of settings?? We have the “old” control panel (that i prefer if i am going to mess with settings), and then we have new “settings” that really doesn’t let you do much at all … very frustrating.

Anyway… i guess i will update my laptop to windows 11 when the time comes, and when i get around to buying/building a new gamer pc, it will run windows 11 as there is no alternative (yes, i know you can game on linux, but i’ve grown up with windows all the way back to dos and windows 3.11, so im not that comfortable with running linux on a 'puter i use all the time and that i need to work when i use it)

Okay, so it doesn’t have to have a physical TPM module. The firmware TPM that most new-ish motherboards have will work for that. Problem there is, it almost always comes disabled in the BIOS/UEFI by default. And there are going to be a lot of people who have no idea that their PC is actually compatible with a UEFI toggle, or even what the UEFI is, for that matter. Microsoft either has no idea the headache they are about to give themselves, or this is intentional to try to get as many people as possible to buy new PCs, and therefore new Windows keys, depending on how cynical you want to be :man_shrugging:.

Also, this goes for windows 8 and probably windows 11 too, why do we have different “layers” of settings?? We have the “old” control panel (that i prefer if i am going to mess with settings), and then we have new “settings” that really doesn’t let you do much at all … very frustrating.

You can try using God Mode, I find it useful.

MS did release power tools for Win 10. those should be helpful for deep access.

i know i might sound odd saying this, but i just like Windows as an OS in general. To me, it’s the one OS that defines the PC user experience and PC gaming. It’s the perfect balance between “you can do nearly everything with it” (Linux) and "somewhat user-friendly (Mac). For 36 years, they have managed to keep some sense of familiarity to it that the user urges to find and still gets. In that sense, not having the start button on the bottom left is a bit irritating, but i was happy to still find the old control panel. They always keep us oldschool users in mind and have to. But as soon as the control panel would (or will?) be gone, i’ll be very angry. Yes sure, they have to make the split for also being usable with tablets, but please don’t make too many sacrifices that your trusty desktop nerds would suffer from. Windows is Windows, there simply is no replacement for it. And yes, i hope i’ve triggered all the Linux and Mac folks. I’m a sysadmin, come at me.

In the end it’s your machine and you should run whatever you feel most comfortable using.

Windows 7 was the last good one. All the lessons from XP and Vista combined into one.

Win8 is a mistake.
Win10 doubled down on those mistakes. Stuff that should be 3 clicks away is buried as deep as possible in the settings menus introduces with Vista (because guess what: The Kernel is OLD!)

Judging Win11 by the way Micro$hit has handled the pre-release so far, will not make its way to my harddrives.
If I want a dumbed down OS, MacOS already exists.
If I want more spying eyes on me, ChromeOS already exists.

Windows 11 will also be a huge PITA for any company since a lot of OEM machines in use right now do not support TPM 1.2 or even 2.0. Enjoy replacing hundreds of office boxes for no good reason!

My current plan is to get my hands on server hardware and a MS Server license to cover my Windows needs. Everything that matters I do in an Operating system that does not fall apart at 64 CPU threads.

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there are already some registry hacks to get around the TPM requirement.

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So far the only even remotely reasonable explanation that I’ve heard for the TPM requirement, is that Microsoft has claimed that machines with TPM and secure boot reduces malware.

TPM reduces malware, Microsoft claims

They go on to say that Windows 11 is essentially Microsoft drawing a line in the sand and saying, “right, from this point on, every version of Windows moving forward is going to require this. If your current hardware doesn’t support it, or you just don’t want a new computer right now, that’s fine. You will have Windows 10 for a few more years, but after that, you are going to have to have it. We think the security it brings is too important to not make it a requirement.”

Of course, as shown by @Marzipan, techies are a pernicious sort, and will just take that as a challenge.

Edit: Can someone please tell me how to get the video preview to show when I post a video link instead of just the text link? Because apparently I don’t what I’m doing. :cry:

Windows 11 is rarely adopted by business until it’s forced on them. LoL!

Which, given the below article, is… ehm… yes?

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I had not heard about that yet. Can’t say I’m terribly surprised by it. Honestly more surprised that we don’t have things like that happen more often.