itâll have to be off memory i sold them around a couple weeks ago due to fit issues
from what i remember - bass and sub-bass are very similar, male vocals feel thinner on the s12 and less so on the timeless but not by a massive amount, iâd say maybe a 10% difference and iâm only noticing it because i use iems to watch youtube and things in the background, i think on anything with post processing itâll be harder to distinguish the two
the s12 stumbles a little in the treble - high hats and cymbals donât have any edge to them and iâm particularly treble sensitive so i canât imagine how itâd be for someone less so, female vocaloids ie miku on kill jill sounds fine, just fine, which is what i got from both the timeless and the s12
soundstage + fit clearly goes to the s12, when @Rikudou_Goku mentioned the timeless had like a soundstage/imaging that was entirely in the front thatâs what i was experiencing without realising it on the timeless. I donât think the s12 has particularly good soundstage/imaging just not particularly awful (although obviously mixed reports)
disclaimer: all immediate impressions + i donât particularly review things i just try and a/b test with what i have to see what i like and donât like, currently a/b ing with the hekili but for $120 which is the price i paid, safe purchase, no build issues or weird caveats like i would have to give a lot of products ie the timeless fit was god awful for me
Ok guys and gals I am not the most versatile in audiophile vocabulary but I already can give you my verdict about the S12. If you want to read a full review of the S12 read any of the numerous Timeless reviews and add my below remarks, et voilĂ .
tl;dr: The S12 is better than the 7HZ Timeless
I can keep it short, this is an obviously very close to Timeless tuned driver Timeless clone with the same driver inside. Which is a good thing.
As you can see from the graphs.
The S12 has a little bit of sub bass roll off otherwise the tuning is the same.
I have been listening the past 9h switching between the 7Hz and S12 and there are no big differences. There are slight differences which make the S12 the winner in my book:
Overall I find the sound of the S12 a little bit smoother
fit, comfort and looks of the S12 are way better than the Timeless
OMG I love all those hype reviews! For now it looks like a cheaper timeless with a better cable and no QC issues (based on 3 reviews after 1 day of usafe, so I donât call it a day yet), so win-win-win situation.
Mine is still stucked at outbound of YanWen, so I guess I would have mine in a month or so, but for 120$ I guess I would wait.
Thanks for the review. Just to clear this off - this is not the same driver as Timeless. Ours has a 14.8mm diameter while the Timelessâ is 14.5mm. To-mae-to, to-maa-to, different nonetheless
Sidenote: @Ohmboy could you change the thread title to LETSHUOER S12 (yes, all caps)? We got a rebranding because we needed to register in US and Shuoer Audio / Acoustics is not available unfortunately. Thanks.
Youâre welcome. From looking at the graphs I would have bet itâs the same driver. Good job on this IEM. Fit, feel, comfort and sound are impressive Iâd even say oppoty.
Edit: corrected the driver paragraph in the review.
iâve not had much time to test them, a-level mocks at the end of January unfortunately :/, iâll test them more throughout today though and give thoughts by 6pm
Yesterday evening I took some more time for critical listening and switching between the 7Hz Timeless and the S12 and found that they differ more from each other than I initally thought. So instead of trying to articulate how these 2 sets differ I decided to endeavor to record sound demos. As Iâm a big fan of sound demos (Shout out to Danâs Audio Reviews, Tharbamar and Zeos) and as I recently purchased a IEM measurement kit I thought letâs give it a shot. I think the demos succeed to give you an impression about their sonic characteristics.
Most importantly I learned 2 things.
Frequency response graphs are more misleading than I initially assumed
Donât assess audio gear on the sideline like I did yesterday while doing office work
Sound demos
The Recording chain was as follows:
Roon â IEM â Artificial Ear IEC711 coupler â Audacity (mono recording) â Export as wav files â Normalize wav files with iZotope Elements â Create video
Listen with neutral headphones if possible.
Here we go.
First track is a contemporary jazz piece showcasing all the good jazz stuff: Marcus Miller - Trip Trap
Second track is a female choral classical containing only strings and high pitch female singing
Third track shows the bass/hip-hop capabilites The Roots - I Donât Care
Btw, this track must have the deepest sub-bass droning throughout the whole track. I guess this is some kind of easter egg put in by The Roots. Can you hear it too?
Fourth track is classic hard rock Thin Lizzy - Hearth Attack
Final remarks
For me the Timeless wins in the bass department. The S12 is leading the rest of the spectrum.
In the end I still like the S12 more. Also I find the S12 has a wider stage than the Timeless.
Holy hek whatâs up with that treble sparkle with s12? Is it there irl too? With first song itâs really noticable, reminds me of 120kbs compression⊠Timeless sounds normal. I was about to buy S12 but after hearing that gonna wait for more reviews
Listening to the S12 right now, I can confirm itâs not there IRL.
Itâs more of a recording issue; best you get out of that demo is the signature difference between the two but not the exact IRL signature of both respectively.
