Andros look to be 12.8ohm and 112.8bd/mw
Ah ok was getting myself confused, just checked, was thinking of the new 2020 version (94 now), I was wondering why that seemed low in my head lol
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Oh? I didnât realize the 2020 version changes that significantly
Edit: I realy hope my issue isnât litteraky my favorite cans -.-
If it is, a balanced iematch could solve the problem so that is something to try if that is the case. The chord from memory had a ton of steps in the volume so it makes sense you could get really low with that (also volume is changed in the dac from memory not the analog domain so that can give you more range there for the hugo), and the idsd has a built in iematch so that would help there. So it very well could be the iem being too sensitive. From demoing the mest at a show it did seem fairly sensitive, but I donât recall it being that sensitive, but I was listening louder cause show conditions so I wouldnât have noticed the more limited volume range that much anyways
Also while volume control on the p6 did improve, itâs still not amazing and might not give enough range for something that sensitive
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Any significant reduction in sq with one? I canât find any info on how exactly is works so I wasnât sure if it has high roll off issues or could fuck with input impedence issues.
Yup! There is no amp stage in the hugo2 actualy. Their volume is a dsp stage but I donât realy notice any lack of dynamics using it at auditable levels.
That min volume was lowest volume (after chanel imbalance ends) with ie match on max and on the eco output setting (4V max gain)
Yah. Out and about i use them a couple notches up on most gear, its just around the house I like quiet.
Tbh, I donât realy mind particularly granular volume setting so long as they get low. The hugo2 is a massive stand out on volume control
So basically what it will do is change the impedance the amp sees to 16 ohms and the impedance the iem will see to 1 ohm, and attenuate the signal by -24 iirc. Itâs a simple voltage divider and while it did change sq slightly, I didnât find it overall extreme or anything. But Iâd be lying if I said it was transparent or didnât affect sq in any way
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Doesnât a voltage divider turn into a low pass filter with sensitive iems?
Guess it doesnât hurt to just order one and try. They arenât particularly expensive
From my experience it lost a bit of bass dynamics and impact, and a slight change in stage, but I havenât used one with a mest so I canât say how it will affect things (as for some iems it helps, others it hurts), so I think itâs worthwhile to try and see if it helps since itâs not too pricey (and always nice to have). Just make sure you run it in ultra and not high, as I feel on high it isnât great
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So, take this with a massive grain as not only do I not have much experience in the higher end of sources, but I also havenât ABXed anything, but as far as first impressions go, I have never heard any of my music sound as good as it does with mests in these. Orchestral, metal, edm, country, everything. The dynamic staging plays amazingly well with the already dynamic stage if the mests, even at the higher min volume (realy hope the iematch fixes taht btw) its not fatiguing like normal, nothing is sharp, but the macro dynamics seem better than everything I own and the micro dynamics are at least in par with the hugo2 but presented in a much more pleasing way. It also handles massive dynamic range discrepancies super well. Even if this is just flat out placebo the enjoyment im getting out of it makes it well worth the purchase imo. Also, BT on this sound better than lossless streaming to the hugo2 from what I can tell.
Again, for anyone else reading this, it may be the volume issue making it sound more impressive because its louder (wonât know of thats the case for a few months) but I donât regret my purchase in the slightest
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Glad you are enjoying it so far 
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Genuinely the most i have enjoyed my music in a long long time. My only lament is simply that I cant use roon radio to it (thiugh roons been dropping my endpoints all week so maybe it wouldnât make a differenceâŚ)
Thatâs what itâs all about lol
Just curious have you tried any of your full size cans on it so far?
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I have not. Kind of a two fold reason. First, Iâve been so blown away by mests in it I havent realy been tempted, but also, my balanced over ear cables are are stupid long, unwieldy, and require adapters for 4.4, so Iâm planning on ordering cables for everything. Still trying to figure out what ima get for them though. Was thinking about heart, but I would prefer a braided cable just because they feel nicer tbh. Plus I need to figure out what length I want
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Definitely check out the Used Cables thread on Head-fi. You should be able to find a high performing cable for a solid price. Let me know if you want any recommendations.
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Sure. Why the hell not. Dead honest, cable rolling iems and LCD-Xs Iâve never heard a single difference other than microphonics, but why not. I wonât break $100/cable. I need one for arya/focal/ibasso SR2 (should all be same pin out, right?) And one for LCDs. My only requirement is that it is suple as fuck and just generaly feels nice in your hand. I can start stiff cables. What are your reqs to look out for?
Edit: also, if you have reqs for mest that would be awesome too. It uses an extruded 2-pin (not qdc) and its been kicking my ass to find one under like $400
Ok, so I just ABed them. 0 difference between high and lo gain at all. Maybe im on old firmware? Im on 1.0.0.2. IK the P6 is 1.0.0.9, but I think they run different firmware. Anyone know where to find P6P firmware?
Just to ask a stupid question, you didnât set the output mode to balanced line out right? Should be under System Settings > Headphone Interface Mode. If you did that would put you into line with preamp mode where it would bypass the gain stages. Should be on headphone amp mode. From my testing it sounds a bit more fuller bodied and punchy in high vs low, but at low volumes itâs pretty minute, try testing with a different iem or headphones and see if itâs more noticeable when you start raising the volume. For most iems I just keep it in low as the volume ramps up quicker in high and for some of my iems it makes little difference, but for headphones I think itâs more noticeable. Either way itâs not a really big difference between high and lo
I have no idea tbh lol, I donât think thereâs been a firmware update to the pro yet, I went to musicteck for
the p6 firmware before but it doesnât show anything for the pro yet
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haha. That was the first thing I checked when it wasnt doing anything. I an in headphone amp out.
I only tested it on 1 volume. Is that why I may not be hearing a difference?
My only over ear I have balanced cables for are clears and I listen at min volume on those balanced too (on SE out I bump it up though) 
lol. Fair. Yah, I expected there wasnt one since I couldnt find it
If you are at only 1, that could very well be the case lol, if you get something that actually pushes into the volume range it might be easier to tell
Ah damn ok, what headphones do you have atm btw?
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