Oddly, my P6P just started switching to true line out mode. I unplug headphones, switch modes, then plug in and it gives me a confirmation and the volume goes to 60 and turns red. It did not do this initially, but I didn’t do any firmware updates or anything, so I’m not sure why it just started doing it. Now to test and see if it sounds different…
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I was always was wondering why it wasn’t doing for you lol, glad it started working now
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I think it brings some of the meatiness and low end impact back with the BX-2+ that I was missing paired to the Diana V2. It’s still a bit more neutral dry than when I was pairing my N6ii with the BX-2+, but it’s back closer to what I remember from initial thoughts on the BX-2+. Paired with the Formula S and Diana V2 is sounding really nice.
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Oh. Were you having with LO before?
For some reason it wasn’t switching into LO mode before, even following the same steps, so it was running through the amp section. It’s still variable line out, but now bypassing the amp section.
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Huh. Glad uts working now at least
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Honest question for yall with some desktop gear experience. If you had to build a a desktop system with the timbre and dynamacism of the P6P but with a bit better staging/cleaner separation, what tier of gear would you have to go up against?
What headphones?
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Duh. Important part of the equation. For now just clears, arya, and mest, but I see 0 point in building a desktop system that cant at least properly power VC, Diana V2, 1266, and Suvara.
Largely im just trying to figure out what tier of gear I would have to be looking into to have similar performance to the P6P (but with a bit more stage/seperation) in a desktop but be able to power stuff I couldnt before. FWIW, if (when?) I make the jump my first move would likely be an amp to use the p6p into.
Well that’s quite a wide range, what would you want to focus on the most? You generally have to pick a headphone you want to focus on the most and optimize the chain for, you can’t optimize it for everything
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Im more so looking to build a chain to try out several cans so I can figure out what I do want to focus on. A chain to try new flavors if you will. I do realize that is not an efficient way to do stuff btw. I just have a massive physical space problem
EDIT: Also, this may just be because of my lack of experience with sources, I know flavor of chains synergy quite drasticaly, but I had kind of assumed you could classify resolution and layering ability kind of broadly into tiers (hence why I asked what tier p6p would fall into). If thats a bad assumption please let me know
I mean you can try that, but it doesn’t mean it will have synergy with everything, ideally you want multiple amps. Hmmm for something you could pair for the p6p and drive a wide range of things without leaning one way too far, that’s going to be hard if I don’t ignore the susvara, so I will just ignore the susvara and also keep things under 5k used. I think a mass kobo 394 ii is fairly neutral and drives most headphones pretty well, out of what you mentioned it powers the vc, diana v2 and 1266 pretty well, and the clear, but the arya will imo get a bit too bright on there for my tastes, and it doesn’t have enough for the susvara. A niimbus us4+ (now us5 pro iirc) is a good pick for something a bit more analytical leaning, for those headphones as well). A modwright ha300 will drive all those cans fairly well and lean a bit more neutral warmer than neutral but still pretty great with them, can drive the susvara but again not to the extent I would personally want. The formula s + powerman does drive things pretty well but you won’t be getting the most out of your p6p since it has to run single ended (but it’s still worthwhile), also a bit more neutral warmer leaning. Any of these would be substantial upgrades over using the internal amp of the p6p
It’s really hard to actually answer this question since I really would want to know what the definitive focuses would be instead of just testing things, and also I would want to bump the budget more to around 7k+ if you wanted to go for the 1266/susvara to really take advantage as that puts you in the range of things like a wa33 (actually a good all rounder for the cans you have), egoista 845 (more focused toward the 1266 and susvara), bakoon amp-13r (more focused toward the 1266 and susvara), trafomatic primavera (more susvara and 1266), riviera aic 10 (actually well rounded), etc, and you can continue to get into speaker amps for those two headphones. In my mind with what you’ve listed, the 1266 and susvara would be something I would really focus on and ignore synergy with some of the other headphones, as those two are the most needy and things like the vc and diana v2 are more forgiving when it comes to amp pairing so that would be where I would make your compromises
I mean compared to other portables? Compared to a desktop line out as dac? Driving headphones or iems?
I mean as a dac, I’ve already kinda pitted it against something like the holo spring 2, so dacs similar to it’s performance I guess would be it’s tier, it’s not going to compete with a lot of the dacs I like around 5-3k used with things like a lampizator amber 3, aqua la voce s3, berkeley alpha series 2, some of the audio note/sq1x dacs around that range, the sonnet morpheus or higher end metrum dacs, the rockna wavelight, bricasti m3 or m1, msb analog dac, merason dac-1, xi sagra dac, lessloss echos end and the list can go on. It fits well into the 2k range of dacs with things like the yggy a2, dangrous music convert 2 or burl b2 bomber, mytek brooklyn with psu pgrade, benchmark dac3, bryston bda-2, wyred4sound dac2 variants, etc with most of these it trading solid or some blows, or fairly outperforming overall things like the soekris dacs, the denafrips pontus and ares ii, holo cyan, mhdt dacs, older benchmark dacs (honestly possibly current one as well), auralic vega, etc. I’m really just spewing out names here which isn’t going to be really helpful, as it would be much more helpful to just compare one on one as that would give you a greater sense of how it actually competes
It’s just hard to give you a meaningful answer without some sort of focus and direction
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Don’t wanna derail the thread, but curious which of the Amber 3 range have the best single ended performance (whether on par with balanced or being dedicated like the Amber) with good synergy with the Formula S. Currently mostly have my eye on the Amber, but not dead set, and other than LCD-24 and Diana V2, the only upgrades I could see in the future would likely be Sus or 1266.
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It all depends on what you want to do with the xi audio, what aspects you want to prioritize
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Naturality tends to be top priority in both spacial recreation and timbre, with a slight fun/warmth tilt.
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In that case the amber 3 does make a whole lotta sense (more fun leaning with great warmth and body, expansive stage, great control and technicalities while still being a bit forgiving, pretty impactful), a rockna wavelight could also be a good choice (a bit more sharp and holographic in placement, nice detail retrieval, slight warmer softer tilt, pretty good timbre), and also something from sw1x like a dac ii special or dac iii (a bit more neutral warmer smoother leaning, somewhat relaxed but very organic and technically proficient, good body and heft) but that’s a bit more warm relaxed than warmer fun. If you could find an msb analog dac that would be real nice (it’s somewhat neutral but a sweeter tuning with very good body and density, while being a bit more forward with it’s technicalities, staging a bit less wide but really good depth). A denafrips terminator could also be a consideration but I don’t know if I would call it as natural as other aforementioned options, but it is warmer fun leaning for sure (it’s got decently good technicalities overall and it’s signature is fun, but I can’t say it sounds that organic imo).
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Some news on the case front.
- L&P does not sell the P6 Pro case separately. This means I can not just buy one to take apart to make my pattern to copy the case
- Musicteck does actually stock the P6 case (no top) so I have ordered that to pull apart for the patter.
- On closer inspection, the case actually has a stiff back insert. TBH, im not realy sure why they did that, but its at least not something hard to mimic (and should be a natural result of doing the back of the case sandwiched the way they did if I just glue the entire slab)
basicaly once the musicteck case gets here, ill seam rip it and get a proper pattern made t try and get a mock up done
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@M0N is the WA8 justifiable at the new or used price in 2021? When it came out it was hot shit, but I’ve barely heard any cases of people still using them
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If you didn’t see it, he did a massive run down of several portable amps. Seemed to like the phantasy 2 better overall for a portable tube so long as you dont plan to use iems on it
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Thanks, I saw the WA8 mentioned much earlier in the thread and didn’t keep digging. I had read the rundown, but must have missed the bit about the W8 and the phantasy 2. If you miss a couple days, this thread can get away from you. I’m trying to avoid reading too closely to avoid the temptation
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