I’ll take fun over analytical transparency and perfectly level this/or/that (personally). Still need to order.
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He even admits he spent very little time listening to them.
Amir just believes the measurements are the only indicator of sound and quality.
I sometimes wonder if he actually believes that, or it’s just something he pushes for hits now.
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I don’t think he believes that Poly, as he comments about how nice some R2R DAC and tube amps can sound when he does testing. he usually comments that despite the testing results, the sound is pleasing.
indeedy…most of us are in this for the enjoyment of listening to music, not the desire to analyze mastering and quality and pick part detail or lack of detail, transparency, neutrality etc etc etc. If that comes along when listening to music, it does add a new dimension…like hearing something we’ve never heard before from a track we’ve listened to bazillions of times. but that’s abstract, not intentional and just makes it better.
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But those are clear differences. I don’t know if he really picks up on actual nuances of an amp or dac tbh
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Any “reviewer” who is willing to make a recommend or not judgement on an amp based on “limited listening” loses my respect.
Not that at this point he had it.
I find ASR and Reddit to a lesser extent infuriating, not because I care what other people think, but because they have a large enough following to influence the direction that manufacturers go.
And the message is clear numbers over sound.
The only saving grace is that the objectivists seem to be largely confined to the budget space.
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totally agree Poly. as the wisdom of this forum shares, the numbers that ASR produces are just one of many factors that need to be considered when looking to buy something. because audio is subjective, nothing is absolute…ever. we’re just lucky enough to have a lot of people who hear similarly so benchmarks, if you will, have been created for what most people usually will and won’t like. 
You can’t really have your own option on sound on Reddit lol. If it’s not something the majority enjoys you get downvoted to the ground lol. It’s more of an echo chamber than anything to me
Reply from Schiit, “Checking availability with warehouse”… Fingers crossed!
If everything goes through I’ll A/B test compared to original Magni3 and the rest of the amps I have on hand
Oh I don’t use Reddit, or ASR, the discourse doesn’t interest me.
But they are popular and I’ll guarantee companies monitor them to see how a product is received.
Some level of objectivity is a good thing, but deciding that you no longer need to listen to components to recommend them is really a step too far.
In pretty much all things “you get what you reward”, in any sort of manufacturing, the reward is selling things at a profit, so if everyone buys based on numbers manufacturers will concentrate purely on numbers.
As I said maybe it’s moot, because of the focus on budget equipment, and the objectivist’s general opinion that higher end gear is overpriced, so it’s unlikely they will impact that space.
Maybe it’s even good in general, some of those sucked in by the objectivist mantra will hear something better and start to question the all about the numbers mantra.
I mean I’m pretty sure schiit specifically made the heresy for people who preferred measurements (even if they really didn’t want to deep down). If there wasn’t a huge popularity of thx or the atom, I don’t think they would have made the heresy and just called it magni 4 or something
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Agreed. They say in the description that it’s for people that like measurements. Or maybe it’s in the FAQ section
I was just thinking that. We can’t convince these people to buy a magni so let’s make our own atom lol. Will sell now! Saw people in that thread not even reading the review and celebrating the graphs of the heresy.
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That’s what it’s designed for lol. I mean I’m not knocking it here, it probably sounds great and is a worthy competitor to the atom if you want that type of sound
Jason Stoddard (Schiit co-founder) is a self proclaimed marketing and audio expert. They are probably tired of hearing people say “it sounds okay, but the Atom measures better”. So Schiit is definitely pandering to the high measurement crowd, even if it goes against their own house sound and philosophy.
The term:
Heresy: opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted
Heresy is definitely a calculated and tongue in cheek name for the Amp, while the standard Magni 3+ is more along their normal or “accepted” philosophical design.
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as mentioned earlier…let’s hope there’s a Modi DAC revision on the way…get away from the compression he Modi line supposedly suffers.
I could have sworn it was only the Magni that suffered from compression, the Modi has that issue too?
Yeah, it does as well as it carries the same house signature (but is a bit less)
I found the modi 3 to compress more. I have a Heresy on the way for review so I’ll do A/B testing vs the Magni 3. I’ll test with Modi 3 and ENOG2
The Modi/Magni combo is a compression double whammy. The crazy part is if that is what you have it sounds great. Once you spend time with other dac/ amps you can pickup the compression then its hard to unhear.