The question here is more âwhat is neutral, a harman curve, or a 100% flat line?â. And honestly, if we identify the harman curve as neutral, the NDH20 are neutral enough. The +2.5 or -2.5 dB difference VS âperfectionâ is small enough for me to call them neutral, because we all perceive differently way more than that.
Me? I wonât risk it, looks like itâs their first headphones, Iâll wait for the next one, hoping theyâre more âneutralâ (NOT based on the harman curve) with the same or better level of detail retreival.
FYI, the website âRtingsâ graphs, amongst other things, use the harman curve. So if a headphone graph is flat there, itâs based on the harman curve (and 5 or 6 different pair of ears)⌠So Iâm wondering how flat the NDH20 graph will be on their website.
Sorry, by context I meant relative to other headphonesâs measurements. If weâre comparing to the Harmon curve (for purposes of this discussion) then is there a headphone that nearly matches it? And if so how does that compare to the Neumann?
Honestly my favorite for overall listening are the Solaris IEM (so far). I would love to find a equivalent in a headphone. They make most everything sound amazing but again with anything they have some drawbacks. Nothing is perfect.
The Cascades are great. My go to for bass. The bass in plenty and tight. Has no problems slamming or holding the bass notes. The sub bass at 25-30db is plenty without being excessive and bloomy. The mid bass is command and has the biggest presence. The bass can sound like it bleeds slightly into the mids but I thinks it has more to do with mids sounding a slight recessed because the highs are elevated. By no means is the mids recessed more neutral. Cascade is a slight V shaped but more leaned towards a L so you may get a sense of that. I donât own or have heard the Argons but the highs do have a sparkle to them so I would tread carefully.
JBL Free and SteelSeries Arctis 7 and Astro A50 and other bluetooth headphones with DSP (or something like that) are also flat AF, but I wonât bother.
Look, not to stir the pot up some more but I want a better understanding of your stance on the Neumanns.
Not once but twice have you praised the Neumanns for its bass, care to elaborate on what you mean by this?
Wouldnât a set of neutral headphone not have such a stand out bass?
Just putting out food for thought for you to mull over.
We all have difference of opinions, difference in experience (life, career, tastes), difference setup (surrounds, ears, equipment, etc), take anything said by anyone with a grain of salt, including mine. We are all hear to share and learn our passion for headphones.
Youâre not one of those people who donât straighten the wheel when parking are you? Savage!
Also, I heard those headphones are neutral but not neutral but neutral to Harman but then also just not neutral. Very confusing for an amateur. I say bottom line, enjoy!. Wish I had a pair.
(No flame intended just having a chuckle at the discussion)
Iâve gone that far down a rabbit hole Iâm other hobbies. So far Iâm trying to steer clear of this particular rabbit holeâŚpartially successfully.
just got 3 pairs of brainwavz XL pads, pleather, hybrid and sheepskin. personally I think the pleathers sound the best to me. the hybrids are way too open and I feel like the sheepskins have a little too much treble. The pleather just felt a lot more closer to the stock pads but a lot, and I mean a lot more comfortable as my ears dont touch the inside plastic of the headphones anymore and they are softer too so the clamp isnt bad but still has enough to keep them on your head.
Yeah well donât worry so much about me being here so much. Send them back today. My initial impressions was reaffirmed when listening to them more and more. Built like a panzer tank, precision and detail like a K98 mauser rifle. Too bad it rumbled like a Mercedes 300TD when i was looking for a refined S class.
They did give me a new appreciation for the 58X though. The 58x is definitely underestimated and makes me consider trying the 660s.
Literally was in the exact same boat. Didnât really care for my Naumanns, and made me love my 58X even more, especially for the price. Wouldnât buy 660s if I were you though, they are basically just 58X but a little better in the highs, with less bass, and for the price vs it, not worth it in my eyes.
