Zeos, can you tell us more about the brainwavz and how they sound on the Neumann?
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Your mileage may vary but Iâve had them for a couple of weeks now and I find them very comfortable. It may be that my ears are the perfect size but I donât find them to become uncomfortable during a whole day of listening at the office.
The bass on these things is the part that impresses me the most as I can almost feel it in my bones during some tracks.
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âThis is definitely not a neutral reference headphoneâ Disagree. Thatâs exactly what this headphone is marketed as and is.
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I find these quite comfortable even for long listening sessions but I may have the perfectly sized ear for them.
Personally, I prefer open backs in general and am used to very comfortable cans for listening enjoyment. I feel the comfort design of these could be improved. Obviously, Iâm still getting used to these and they are getting broken in more and more and the comfort is becoming less and less of an issue for me, especially when the sound is this good.
I agree the bass especially is the most impressive aspect of these cans.
Come on! Did you honestly just quote me marketing language on a headphone and state it as fact?! Here is how Audio-Technica markets their M50x: âAudio-Technica ATH-M50x Professional Studio Monitor Headphones.â No one in their right mind would call the M50x a legit monitor or reference headphone. Itâs fricken marketing!
Again, there are legitimate objective methods to test neutrality, whether you keep ignoring this fact or not, it still exists. This headphone is not neutral. I donât know why you are arguing against it so much. Is it a good headphone? I am sure it is, but itâs not neutral.
âZeos, can you tell us more about the brainwavz and how they sound on the Neumann?â
He goes into detail about the Neumannâs and the pads in an upcoming video. He sounded quite disappointed by the pads. He said that they messed with the sound signature too much and the pads did not appear to fit very well either. I had already ordered a pair and immediately wanted to cancel my order when I saw him holding them.
Ha ha! Youâll probably find an M50 in any professional studio you enter. They have been a staple in studios for ever.
And guess what, they arenât even close to neutral.
Still doesnât change the fact that they are and have been studio work horses for years.
I much prefer the Neumannâs. Youâre right, the Neumannâs may not be perfectly neutral, but that is and always will be subjective.
Can you explain how a frequency response graph is subjective?
Individual perceived neutrality is always going to be different.
BTW⌠These appear to be quite neutral to the latest Harmon target as nishan pointed out. Maybe you should pick up a pair and see for yourself as I did?
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Sure, but if we are using the Harmon target, then this statement is meaningless. There is a pretty big difference between âneutralâ and you undefined âquite neutral.â Bass is exaggerated and mids are scooped. The bass exaggeration is a real killer for the neutrality argument.
Also, perception isnât reality. Just because one person thinks they are neutral, doesnât mean they are.
But they very well may be for that individual. We are not computers. We all see and hear things differently.
That still doesnât make the headphone neutral. Again, you keep making a subjective argument and stating it as fact. When determining neutrality, one personâs perception does not matter in the discussion because, as you say, we all hear things differently. This is why we rely on objective tests to inform us rather than our ears that lie to us.
How about this statement? Although prefect neutrality does not exist, The Neumannâs are some of the âmost neutralâ headphones you can buy, especially within this price range.
This perfect neutrality issue is also why mixing and mastering engineers for years rely on gear they have used for years and know like the back of their hand. You can still make critical mixing decisions as long as you know and trust the equipment youâre working on. The better the products become over time, the easier it will be to make those decisions.
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I agree with Harman target FR and I think most of you do.
You can go check out Kanas Pro review by BGGAR on Youtube, that guy has a legitimate OCD and he listens to the same tracks for years and the Kanas Pro are tuned to the Harman target and he finds them to be neutral.
You can also check out âfinding flatâ by Tyll from innerfidelity on Youtube and he also agrees with the Harman target being neutral tuning even though it looks like a v shaped FR, same with the $2k IEM called 64audio U12t that Zeos sucked them on camera, they are tuned to be U-shaped (a mild V-shaped) to be neutral.
I am still not sure if studio equipments should be tuned to the Harman target tho. In other words I donât know if Harman target tuned headphones/monitors products will translate well on other systems, I will leave that to the professionals.
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Guys, honestly can we not make this like every other forum on Earth where people are arguing a subjective thing. Everyoneâs ears are different, everyoneâs tastes and opinions are different. Why canât we just agree that we have different opinions and move on with our lives.
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I was trying to make the point that what we were arguing about wasnât subjective at all. Interlacing subjectivity with objectivity when determining the neutrality of a headphone is a disservice to anyone looking to buy these headphones and expecting a neutral response.
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Alright so then just agree to disagree and call it a day. Subjective or not. No need for a back and forth argument here. Someone be the bigger man and agree to disagree.
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