Stock tips are so bad for me that I sometimes wish they could have an option with just the iem and nothing else.
(dont need the cables either as I just change them anyway and storage cases is something I dont need.)
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I guess my point is that both affect the sound of the headphone, and sometimes you choose the non invasive amplifier to color your headphone in a way that you want instead of a more invasive tape that you add to the p1 to add bass. And even if you go through the EQ route depending on how much you change it there isn’t a noticeable loss in audio quality ime
if veritas means just to sound good (which is basically what you said too) you are right about the headphone fundamentally being a bad headphone and EQ or mods won’t make it much better. But if your problem is a massive beyer peak giving up on that headphone because of that one reversible issue i wouldn’t say that it’s not a good headphone. Depending on the parameters we can agree or disagree on this topic,
it’s true that you can’t really avoid going through an amplifier but that dosen’t change the fact that it alters the sound just like a modification would. I guess that’s the main basis of my arguement, whether you are forced to modify the sound of something or not EQ, pyshical mods and amplifiers/dacs all basically change the sound in one way or another so i don’t see why someone would be so strongly against EQ and then buy 10 different amps to change the sound of their gear.
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Agreed, we all have different ears with different tolerances for treble. Our ear canals will also affect wether the peak is at 8k or 6k, so using a little EQ to tame it down a bit should be fine (like with the Shuoer Tape).
100% agreed.
Same! I can’t even get stock tips to stay in my ears usually.
I would agree with this. While like on the 1990 I don’t like how forward it can be in the treble, I still like some aspects of the headphone and with eq you can make that more pleasurable (or other ways like amp selection or pad changes if you are into that), so yeah in that regard eq is just fine. Basically you could sum up my thoughts on EQ as “you can’t polish a turd” lol
That is correct
Because eq can be a sloppy and less desirable or effective way of going about modifying the sound for reasons mentioned above. You will suffer a loss in fidelity that can range from insubstantial to significant, it just depends on how much and what you are willing to sacrifice. I agree that skipping eq on the basis of “keeping things true to the recording” is dumb, but I can understand using other more effective alternative methods of tuning that might produce more desirable results imo. EQ can never really accomplish what changing to a different amp can do, but there are situations where eq makes more sense than changing an amp does
Also to be clear, while I personally don’t use EQ, I do think it’s a worthwhile option to fix small issues you may have with frequency response, but I don’t think eq can really transform a headphone as much an amp can
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There’s a difference between not a good headphone and not a good headphone for you.
I’m not interesting in trying to “fix” Beyers, I can appreciate them as good headphones, just not for me.
I don’t really object to EQ, but I don’t use it.
But outside obnoxious problems I don’t consider FR to be a significant factor in if I like a headphone, it’s a part of the character. Fundamentally someone designed it to sound like that.
I have for example no problem with electrical or for that matter digital processing that’s a part of the Headphone, it’s potentially a good solution for some driver limitations, The Raal’s do EQ inside the Amp adapter and it’s fundamentally no different to what a Phono Preamp does in Vinyl systems.
I draw the line at trying to make everything sound (or judging everything by) Harman Neutral with EQ.
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If you aren’t into it, not really worthwhile trying to force yourself to like something imo. There are headphones I can enjoy and understand their purpose, but that doesn’t mean it’s something I would pick up
It’s only one piece of the puzzle, and imo the higher you go up, the less and less raw FR matters and the rest of the aspects color the sound. It all goes into the final result, typically I would call it something like a headphones/iems voicing or tuning
A headphone/iem designed with a dsp in mind is not a bad thing, it can allow you to achieve results you traditionally couldn’t in a normal design
Yes this is kinda going too far imo
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that’s more than fair enough
i’ve been guided by you and others here so i don’t know if what i’m about to say is possible or not. but i would assume that there are some really sloppy amps out there? like some straight up trash just like there is some trash EQ
im here with you brother lol
Yes there are piss poor amps, I should have noted I would make the comment assuming that neither your software eq nor amp were bad. The thing is, imo there isn’t a software eq (really or hardware eq for that matter) that improves fidelity, it can only do harm, where an amp can have the potential to improve fidelity (from a signal quality or fidelity standpoint, not talking about the result of using eq, talking about the eq itself)
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see here’s the only problem, there are things that do need an amp to sound good. straight up. however there are also headphones that don’t change much and their potential to improve fidelity seems to be bottlenecked. ime the 58x sounds a fair bit better with an amp but besides the v30 amp, anything higher ime dosen’t really do much for it (like i don’t remember anything standing out when hooking it up to the spark as opposed to the xduoo or v30). And i can’t really speak for audezeenuts but i have heard that EQ makes some of them actually improve radically (altho i can’t testify for that myself)
Yes, some headphones are more sensitive to amps than others, and things like the 58x aren’t really too picky
So while it can change them, personally I don’t really know if it’s something I would call an improvement, it mainly just modifies their signature that more people might agree with, but if you don’t like the headphone stock besides qualms with the frequency response, the audeze reveal plugin isn’t going to save them for you generally unless you like the rest of the headphone besides the FR (like you like what they have to offer but think they could use a bit more bass prominence). I know @Hazi59 had some lcd x and might be able to give you more detailed thoughts of how the reveal plugin changed them
lol
Edit: I just realized this is was in your database thread @Rikudou_Goku, sorry about that lol
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Lol, np. I’m not in to headphones at all so that is why I am staying away from your discussion. But feel free to continue. 
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I went on a big rant there lol.
as person that has been on bluetooth adapters and dongle dacs for a long time as much as I complained about the removal of the headphone jack these days I ultimately dont care every phone I owned and tablet for a long time the 3.m5 mm port seemed to break on me . they werent exactly heap products either as I always wen lg to samsung and I wished for something like dongle dacs to exist ultimately I was relegated to using bluetooth headphones and iems. cause I couldnt afford to get my phones fixed. I for one am kinda glad that kinda happenned otherwise I dont think the dongle dac and bluetooth adapter market would be so big without it. but am sad to see it continue to dissapear.
I just want to have the option of using the 3.5mm port. Forcefully removing it and also removing the option IS NOT the way to do it.
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true. and I completely aree I was jusst pointing out that some good has come out of this major inconvenience
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So… I bought the LZ A6 from Nice HCK Audio Store on AliExpress. A nice IEM, but before I got some millage in it it was broken. The volume in the right monitors drops to 50% after some usage, but if I remove it and fidle around with it, it comes back at 100%.
So I wrote to Nice HCK and they are friendly enough, first they didn’t reply, then they did and wanted me to take a video. Apparently did it not help them, so now they want me to take a new, where I show them the problem…
It is an issue that is not present all the time and it can be hard to hear over a video from a mobile phone. And it doesn’t show anything anyway.
I got tirred of that and asked for a refund saying this was a waste of time. Now I haven’t heard from them and in 1-2 days I will contact AliExpress.
Amazon may be the big scare for many, but as a customer things are a lot easier. I am not 
more a bit 
and curious what the outcome will be. I have always had good experiences with AliExpress buys, so this doesn’t scare me off, but now I understand why some people prefer to buy on amazon.
But I am thinking A LOT more about QC and how +$150 IEM’s can be returned if needed.
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I am very sorry to hear that. It does sound like you have the moisture problem that has been reported by some users with it.
Try changing the filters when you get the symptoms. If the volume goes back to normal then it is indeed the moisture problem you have.
If that is the case then you can try this mod: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/lz-a6-a6-mini-discussion-and-review-thread.919056/page-28#post-15738679
(havent tried it myself, but there are people saying that it fixes it.)
At this point with as many reports on the moisture problem, I cant recommend the A6 anymore which is extremely sad because they truly sound great.
Just hope that the A7 has indeed fixed the moisture problem as LZ claims they have.
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Thanks, that sounds plausible as I cant hear anything rumble about inside the IEM. I will try changing the filters and the mod thing.
I have not used them more than 2-3 hrs before it happend the first time, so I have not really a good feeling for the sound, which is unfortunately.
But QC…
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