Tygr 300r alternatives ?, Tygr 300r sound in hd 560s body

[DavidZ2844]

Thanks for the detailed response! I’ve seen all those videos before actually, just wanted some extra input from someone who owned all 3 of them, but thanks anyway I appreciate the thought.

I’ve heard that the TYGR 300 R is pretty much a better tuned DT 990, which is why I assume you said to keep it just between the TYGR and the 599. That sounds fantastic, but the main problem is that the TYGR is completely unavailable here in the US. It has been out of stock for months, and meanwhile it gets restocked all the time in the UK from what I’ve heard. So it seems like Beyerdynamic just does not seem to care in the slightest about their NA TYGR audience lol. I cannot find them anywhere else in the secondhand market either, whether in Amazon or eBay or reddit, it has just completely vanished here in North America. This problem is kind of stretching my patience which is why I’m wondering if the 990 is a worthy option for me here, despite being a “worse” version of the TYGR.

If you don’t mind me asking, what about the TYGR do you prefer it over the DT 990? Other than it being easier to drive. Also, in terms of soundstage, bass, and detail, how do either of them compare to the 599?

As for previous headphones I’ve used for a point of reference, in terms of open backs I’ve only tried the SHP9600 and the Fidelio X2HR. I vastly preferred the X2HR, I really liked their wide spacious soundstage, more detailed bass, and overall cleaner sound. However, the X2HR clamps insanely hard on my oversized head, and I can’t wear it for more than 30-60 minutes. I’ve tried everything to reduce the clamp, stretching the headband by leaving them over a box for days/nights, and nothing seems to loosen the clamp enough to a comfortable point. So the X2HR just isn’t for me, despite me liking its sound. I feel the massive relief from the pressure that causes the pain/discomfort around my ears after taking them off, I just don’t think it’s worth dealing with.

For closed backs, I’ve only tried the ATH-M50X and the Sony MDR1AM2, but these are pretty different from the open backs here. I’ve had my M50X for 2 years and I’ve always hated its comfort, which is what drove me to find another pair. The X2HR unfortunately did not deliver on the comfort aspect for me, so you can see that comfort is a huge factor for me here.

[N2ONE]

Hi There, this is my second try to write this down (had a browser crash :-/)

Comfort could be a real problem for you regarding the 990s:

Beyerdynamic DT 990 PRO vs Philips Fidelio X2HR Side-by-Side Headphones...

I created a table descending by comfort for the tested open and semi open backs for reference:

Headphones Table Tool

To keep it short and simple, 990s are very bright and may need EQ for longer sessions. TYGRs are the plug and play version, no harsh treble but with slight lost in brightness. You won’t be dissapointed by soundstage and bass. They also use less clamp. Maybe the 880s (which I dont own and never used) could be a better option? I also withdraw my statement, the 990s and the TYGRs drive very similar even though they have different impendance. Now for the 599, after a longer comparision between those 3, I don’t like the sound signature, the soundstage is smaller and the details feel more harsh than smooth, could be a better choice for analytical listening maybe? I wouldnt call them terrible (see comments below) but they are not for me.

Falenkors review should be more insightful and way better articulated than I am able to (he compares them also to a lot of hp incl. X2): 🔶 Beyerdynamic TYGR 300 R - #303 by Falenkor

Some maybe helpful comments:

Beyerdynamic TYGR 300 R

So, the Tygr 300R is just the DT 990 at 32 ohms with it’s respective black pads named “EDT 990 VB”, some foam you find on the amiron home placed over the driver, a different housing, and some very minor other changes inside of the driver. It’s definitely not just the pads causing the difference… the pads aren’t the ones taming those highs to a large degree it’s that foam insert as we see this exact same thing with the new T1 third generation as when you remove that dampener it’s brightness goes …

@gowawax649

@beyerdynheiser The TYGR, X2 and 560s are all different sounding headphones.

Avoid the 599. These are outright terrible headphones. Their warmth is so overexaggerated in the headphones it drowns out all the detail. I never understood why people recommend them. I have been acquainted with a group of people who know more about audio than me (one if them is a sound engineer who knows a ton about headphones) and they all agree the 599 are bad.

I have tried the TYGR and X2 and I would preferably stick with the TYGR. For some reason the X2 is praised for it’s soundstage and imaging by others but I find it lackluster. The soundstage sometimes feels artificial wide and sometimes it doesn’t. Imaging is decent but the TYGRs are much better. By quite a big margin.

In terms of music: i find the bass being very bloated and the treble being sometimes peaky/grainy, however you want to call it. It tries to be great in nearly all frequencies but fails to do so. Tygrs are very passable for music but the vocals might fall a bit behind due the recessed mids.

The TYGRs imaging is laser accurate and the soundstage is pretty wide. For their price they are amazing.

The 560s is one I havent tried yet, but in terms of sound it will be different than the previously 2 mentioned. More brighter and analytical and less bass. Not sure about their imaging and soundstage.

@Falenkor

Welcome to Hifiguides @Kayge hopefully some of these recommendations are helpful

Tygr 300R: newer headphone from beyerdynamic. Warm, smooth, Relaxed, wide and speaker like. Think the dt 990 but instead of all that brightness it is now almost completely balanced on the treble but keeping all that detail and smooth sound with a comfort to the point it disappears off your head. You can find my review on this one over in it’s particular thread Beyerdynamic TYGR 300 R

Nighthawk/Nightowl Carbons: Dark / warm bassy detailed veyr unique. Discontinued but can be found time and again… difference is open back and closed back I own the nighthawks and they are really incredibly nice and definitely good for someone who is treble sensitive

Fidelio X2 HR: philips made a pretty nice bassy headphone here again very warm very smooth bass may be seen as “muddy” they are currently making the X3 so this headphone could drop in price even more

Dan Clark Aeons: These are pretty unique as while they are a V signature they are by no means very bright. The treble is actually rolled off with mids not being very recessed. Very good tune to this headphone. Responds well to higher end amps and dacs as well as being balanced through a seperate cable purchase. Tuning pads allow you to adjust bass, treble, mids, and sound stage. Retuned and Massdrop open x are in your price range

Step ups from 58x are the 6xx, hd 600, hd 660 S and further up though each has a seperate sound I believe iirc 660 S was the brighter headphone though so may not be up your alley on that one.

Step up for the HE4xx would probably be the Massdrop Edition XX which is the ananda but not as bright and more warm

Audeze El-8 has multiple copies but they have a rolled off treble and are more towards a dark kind of sound. Still really nice sound.

[DavidZ2844]

Thanks for the help, much appreciated. Sorry you had to do a rewrite of the post.

Yeah it seems like the TYGR is the way to go, from what I’ve gathered from all the info and advice I’ve gotten the past few months. It’s just the North American Beyerdynamic stocking issues that is the biggest hurdle for me right now. Months with absolutely nothing, it’s so frustrating.

The thing about RTings comfort measurements is that they aren’t the most reliable from my experience. For example, I’ve used a Steelseries Arctis headset which had close to 1.3 pounds of clamping force, but it felt much more comfortable than both the X2HR and the M50X, which have lower measured clamping forces/weights. And the M50X had better comfort measurements for both the X2HR and the SHP9600 that I tried, yet it was the most uncomfortable headset of the 3. So I’ve come to learn to not rely on them, it only matters what I’ve tried on my head myself I guess.

Do you noticeably feel that the TYGR clamps less than the DT 990?

[N2ONE]

You’re welcome. Nothing to be sorry about

I found some explanations from the official german support site that may give you some more indications (translated by www.deepl.com):
TYGR 300 R – beyerdynamic Help Center | beyerdynamic

WHY IS THE TYGR 300 R A GAMING HEADPHONE?

We use a unique acoustic fleece to smooth out the highs without losing detail. As a result, the amplitudes of the high frequencies are more balanced and the sound impression loses sharpness. What is important for critcal listening in the studio can tire in the long run in gaming. That’s why the TYGR 300 R sounds rounder, especially in the highs. The accentuated and balanced highs lead to an amazing brilliance and an immersive sound experience for an extremely precise localization of sources like footsteps, shots, etc.

HOW IS THE TYGR 300 R DIFFERENT FROM THE DT 880 PRO AND DT 990 PRO?

The DT 880 PRO has a very linear frequency response, while the DT 990 PRO has a slightly more accentuated bass and correspondingly more present treble for a pleasant balance. Both are designed primarily for studio applications.

The TYGR 300 R focuses on gaming is oriented to the frequency response of the DT 990 PRO. A powerful bass and detailed emphasized treble fit very well to gaming. However, the sound design has been further optimized for gaming based on the DT 990 PRO, including the use of a special acoustic fleece.

As for the clamp pressure, yeah my 990pro from 2013 has higher pressure. BUT I think the edition models could be the answer:

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen dem DT 770/880/990 PRO und dem DT 880/990...

Just use google translate for the english version. You’ll see that the pro models have a clampressure of 3,5N and the edition have 2,8N and are described as comfortable. So I could imagine that the TYGRs use the same frame as those edition variants.