58x or tygr would do fine… you may find 58x a bit lacking in the bass. If you have brightness issues with that fostex I definitely don’t recommend the 1990 and 560s is bright too.
Others like the Denon brand sound like a potential good fit… they are a bit much in the bass but work fine… others would be something like nighthawk carbon which is dark and bassy, 177x go subtle v shape, or aeons Harman tuning
E30 has arrived, and so did the 880/990 600ohm, and the Liquid Spark is on the way.
Thing is, E30 doesn’t allow me to connect the HPs to it, I’ll need to wait for the Liquid Spark to truly test them, my motherboard runs them no problemo but the sound without the Liquid Spark is just ruthless… Damn its really too bright in game, gave me headache after half hour! Music was alright, but not a huge difference compared to the old ones.
But I gotta tell you something… I did connect the E30 to my Edifier R1700BT Speakers, and what the hell just happened… I just got a brand new speakers, and I’ve considered them quite good value Speakers before… but damn the sound is beautiful… clear, crisp, balanced… its such an enjoyment listening to music with the E30. I was quite sceptical to be honest, but it is impressive!
The 880/990 600ohms without the amp and dac, don’t allow me to trully judge them… current state is a clear no. But I’m waiting for that amp!
I just wanted to thank you one more time in the meantime, and once I get the Liquid Spark I’ll let you know the results.
Anyway I’ll be keeping the E30, even when I don’t keep the HPs, my speakers just got a new life and I’m loving it!
Yep, that’s why I always warn bout the 990 its bright as hell. Wait to get the spark though… it will drive them no problem.
Dacs will clear up the signal and distortion making things sound a lot better while amps provide the power and sound signature quality. E30 is a very good dac at its price
Yep… if it’s just obscenely bright though without much in the bass your lacking power… they are picky headphones that scale alot
Of course, definitely let me know.
If by chance you get the spark and even the 880 is too bright you most guaranteed have a treble intolerance, which varies from person to person. Tygr 300r is beyers answer to that but there are a few other headphones you can check out later if these don’t work for you… its trial and error in most cases to find what fits you personally. You can of course eq the beyers there back on the treble or just swapping the pads could fix the issue
So the DT1990 finally came! (Though I thought it was arriving late next week based on amazon)
First things first @Falenkor @TigerLeon @M0N wow. So much detail. Immediately noticed it needed the amp compared to the easily drivable AD700x (DT1990 is 250 ohms)
I love it for siege and I don’t find the treble to be an issue whatsoever. What I have noticed is when I play Siege there’s so much sound I struggle to understand if what I’m hearing is coming from upstairs or downstairs (vertical sound positioning). It could be that I need to grow into these new sounds or I may need a headphone that positions better vertically.
Curious about your guys’ thoughts as well as if you play siege to hear what I mean. There are times I’m on the top floor and it sounds like someone is on my floor but they are likely a floor below.
EDIT: Although the more I think about it this actually may be due to the sound engine used in Siege where they emphasize echolocation. Also, Ubisoft is aware of sound cue issues so it may be due to that
Vertical sound cues are pretty hard to do and hear. BUT the right audio editing and engine will improve the cues by doing some magical stuff to the sound.
this takes time, theres another thread with a guy struggling with this… but in terms of verticality it’s just something you have to adapt to less you feel like jumping down the rabbit hole and spending thousands to test every headphone only coming to the same result lol. If you check your imaging, through like… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvNjy6oruhA that for example, which is just a sound experience to test if your headphones are imaging right, You should be able to notice that you can actually hear above you quite well it’s just similar to like… right in front of you and in the spur of the moments unless your used to it your brain thinks oh okay hes straight ahead, or something along those lines.
I mean, they may be aware of sound issues… but sound engines used in current gen fps’s are complete trash in most cases because they chose to cut some corners on it. Siege is decent, but definitely not the best.
I figured. I’ve always been fascinated by the developer’s work in Siege where holes actually impact sound travel to the receiver (sound paths essentially) so it could be certainly a part of that.
Yea dude I’m thinking it’s a time thing. It was so different in how I could hear more compared to AD700x that I wasn’t sure if I bought the right thing lol!
And that’s what I’m certainly not interested in doing. I was going back and forth in wondering if I should send this back and try the Sundara or 660s but I got the feeling I’d arrive at a similar audio experience when playing. Most likely it’s really not worth it frankly. I think it’s something I could totally get adapted to.
The build is so nice lmao.
Sundara is spacious as hell in sound… but 1990 is much more flexible in sound signature and built like a tank. I love the Sundara but for gaming… eh, not to much on the changes in all honesty outside of the imaging isn’t as good
yeah, I’d say give it time… You can of course use EQ if you think that will help in some cases or even the virtual surround stuff
How is your opinion on virtual surround? Which should you stay away from and which ones are good? I’ve never really liked virtual surround but I may give it some tries. All I’ve noticed it doing is making it sound like I am in an echoey room. If it does give better positional accuracy I might look into using it for games. Also, according to others is that the problem with virtual surround is that it does a similar job at imaging but not very good at distances.
Yea I have a hardware EQ on the way (arriving next month) so even though the treble isn’t an issue I should be able to appropriately deal with anything after 4khz (I think footsteps on your floor are somewhere between 2k-4khz)
Also not regretting the purchase at all. Compared to the AD700x, this is so fascinating.
The one from sennheisers GSX1000 unit over there despite being over priced was the best well implemented 7.1 I have heard that actually didn’t destroy my headphone sound qualities. Other than that, most likely just Dolby Atmos… Hesuvi was alright. All the others are practically Junk in most cases…
they all make it sound echoey unfortionately as they are trying to replicate a bad set of speakers… but it in some cases can help in verticality placement especially if your not used to it…
accuracy? no, but helping your brain discern whats where? yeah a little.
this is correct, and why I pretty much never recommend it… destroying sound quality, soundstage, and in some cases the imaging it’s a flip of a coin really. It doesn’t hurt to try it as it’s not hard to get 7.1 but it can still easily screw things up.
After research applying VSS, it really seems that its great for some games but some competitive shooters don’t utilize it well. For instance I’m pretty sure Dolby works great for Overwatch, can’t say the same for Siege.
@Falenkor also another thing I’m curious about are the pads? So the DT1990 came with balanced and analytical. Before the purchase I came to find online that Analytical were the better of the two when it came to FPS (makes sense)
Any pads you’d recommend that are even better than the analytical for FPS/Siege gaming?
lol hence the name eh? Yeah, so the 1990 is like a mix between DT 880 and DT 990. Analytical pads are the 880 similar sound signature and Balanced Pads are the 990, which 990 is a V signature as such the balanced pads add bass which is a no go for FPS.
No, they already have velour… if your looking for better comfort though… you can get away with using Dekoni Elite velour which are much thicker and a bit wider.
Edit: Pad swaps are the most easiest way to change a headphones signature… if you change the pads to anything except the stock that signature will change… velour being the airest and brightest of the materials makes it the better choice for something like FPS where details and treble are very important. If you were looking for a more casual ended use… you have quite a few options though
I use these. Can confirm they are really good. Although they can flatten or “distort” a bit for some reason as they’ve done for me. So not that good of a memory foam. I have small to medium ears and mine just fit in. Touching a bit on the right ear on the top. But they are really good otherwise.
I’ve been using both of them, the 880 and 990 for the past few days, quality is superb in comparison to my old headphones, at gaming and music listening, but somehow my ears don’t seem to like them after 1-to-2-hour long gaming session. It’s weird, I enjoy when I am listening but my body feels like it doesn’t enjoy it after using them for a while.
I also want to make clear that there was a HUGE difference, between night and day when playing… I can tell exactly where the enemies are, and how far they are. I know Valorant has a not that good sound engine, but they changed my experience by a huge margin.
Music wise I already had good speakers, Edifier R1700BT, the difference there wasn’t that big as when compared to the old headphones.
Honestly I’m kind of lost… in one way I agree when default EQ they’re both very bright, but having a weird feeling around my ears after using them, is leaving me wondering if the initial clamping has something to do with how I feel after using them. Or maybe I have treble intolerance and I’ve never found it out before. Or maybe both?!
I’ve used the following EQ in order to make them more “usable” for my ears, by other words, more “complete” and still beautifully detailed, but somehow, I still have that weird feeling after using them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/wiki/index/list_of_presets
With those settings I’m changing the original sound signature of them, maybe there’s something more suitable for me, in that direction?
What I also noticed is that I do not need to have them as loud as I did with my old headphones, because the quality is significantly better and the sound is clear enough when listening to music or gaming, so with them I can avoid this bad practise.
Do you recommend another headphone/setup based on the above description of my listening experience? Or do you believe its just the initial clamping?
I can keep them for 60 days so my question is more in regards if I should keep the E30 + Liquid Spark, and change only the headphones? If yes, which?
I’m loving the E30 + Liquid Spark when combined to my speakers, but should I simply go with a different setup in case different headphones do not match as good with the current setup?
Thanks a lot, Falenkor!
You would have to be a bit more descriptive on that one, as you got me quite a bit confused… im not sure if you mean the comfort is off or something about the sound, though it looks like you mean the sound is a bit uncomfortable… Treble in high amounts can cause amounts of fatigue where you want to take the headphone off… this is a form of treble intolerance next to of course sibilance.
Oratorys EQ is simply changing the headphones frequency response to a Harman Curve, there are headphones that naturally have this curve… but each headphone also has it’s own specific characteristics. As far as getting a Harman Curve in the budget of the 880 or 990? there is some, yes, but the issue there is that they aren’t as high performing in competitive gaming. If the EQ solves your issue then I would say use that if you feel thats comfortable to you… can also look into pad swapping them for further changes to the sound outside of EQ
It does take time to adjust, I would typically recommend someone at the very least 2 weeks with a single headphone before deciding if it’s right for them or not… as mental burn in is indeed a thing. It sounds like you may be getting hit with treble fatigue honestly unless it’s just comfort which that’s an easy fix… you can stretch the band over it’s box for a couple days or just swap the pads to something of a softer thicker variety.
really depends here, spark and E30 is a warm combination stack… if that’s not your sound preference then you can switch them out to one of the other setups… but theres nothing wrong with keeping this stack it should last quite some time before needing any form of upgrade less your after like… spatial recreation then you can upgrade to something like the asgard 3 but that’s more expensive.
there’s not many headphones I find that don’t get along with the spark and E30, so I think your fine there…
Thanks for your answer! Well I’m sorry, I guess I got you confused while I am also confused. I’m not sure if it’s the comfort or the sound itself. Guess the time will tell.
Are there any other EQ presets that you would recommend me trying? I find this Harman one quite balanced sound wise, but maybe there are others out there that are even more appealing, this was the only one that I found till now.
Could you also name a few headphone options, around this price point or even higher where you believe that they could also be potential candidates? In my opinion, anything that has a great sound stage and sound imaging combined with balanced sound is as perfect candidate. I can be more specific if it helps…
That’s great! One question tho, what exactly is spatial recreation? How would the sound change if I’d use the asgard 3?
Thanks a lot!
Other than just manually changing the EQ to preference, no not really.
quite likely there is other presets, though I don’t use much in terms of EQ presets.
Balanced sound… Depends on how balanced you are looking for really. Tygr 300r could be considered that much more than the other beyers but in the case if EQ it responds relatively poorly. Sennheisers will fit into that category but will have less soundstage and not be as laser accurate, granted 58x jubilee will fit into the category your looking for here. Those are the only two that come to mind in this price tag that will work in this case as far as a more balanced signature goes. However, the DT 880 is quite balanced overall outside of it’s treble.
recreation of space in the sound, opens up the soundstage providing a wider feel to the sound and typically comes with some better imaging in some cases. Asgard 3 isn’t as warm as the spark but still has some warm tones to it while being a little colored, it’s not anemic or measurement based, great spatial recreation, great detail retrieval, tends to hit above it’s price point