šŸ”¶ ZMF Auteur & Auteur Classic

Wondering if some Auteur owners can shed some light on a few questions, I’m kinda feeling around in the dark here, forgive me if this is a bit vague…

I’ve had a love/hate relationship with some recently picked up Elex’s and i think i’ve given on the idea of keeping them. I LOVE the way they sound (more on this in a sec), but they’re just to uncomfortable, the hotspot is killin’ me which makes the whole thing tough to enjoy.

For context, my baseline here is a pair of DT1990s, and a pair of LCD 2Cs.

I love the energy of the Elex, it just feels like a ā€œsit upā€ headphone. Especially coming from the 2C, there’s just so much verve and excitement in the sound; I love it. It’s got some punch in the bass dynamics, but without clouding up the lower mids, or getting too wooly down there. I’m also a big fan of the slightly more forward vocals, female vocals especially seem to pop on these, which just adds so much life to a lot of music; especially garage and indie punk stuff (Snail mail, Brooke Bentham, Wavves, that whole vibe). The highs are fine, nothing to write home about, not in the way, but not recessed. I definitely appreciate some of the ā€œairā€ in the 1990, but I don’t miss the ~8k spike they have.

I reached out to Zach and he said this sounded more like a job for the Auteur than the Aeolus. But before i went and pulled the trigger I wanted to see if anyone had a similar move from a mid-fi dynamic (or even specifically an Elex/Clear) to the Auteur, or how they contrast to an Arya.

I’ll be driving these off a Matrix Mini Pro i 3, and a Drop CTH w/ gold lion tube.

While i’m totally happy to pay what it costs to have these kind of higher end cans, especially when you’re talking about something as bespoke and handcrafted as a ZMF…This will be nearly double the most I’ve spent on a single set of headphones before, so I’m trying to do a bit more background here before going for it.

First question is or may be. Open or closed back preference ? Secondly I have the Elex and also have my Auteur but only for 24hrs so I am still learning it. I also have the Aeolus as well. All the Zmf cans are super comfortable and if by chance you might get said hotspot then they do have the pilot pad for purchase. I also have the Eikon and Atticus for the closed back side of things. All are different in their own way but all at least for me are supremely comfy… What amp are you pushing things with ?

Nice, glad to hear they’re comfy! Matrix Mini Pro i 3, and a Drop CTH for amps.

I prefer open, I have a pair of Sony Z7s that kind of cover me on the closed side, and it’s not like I’m going to take ZMFs out and about :laughing:

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Yeah understood… Well ? I wish I had more time with the Auteur to better help and I am sure someone with more experience will pop up, Even with my short time I can confidently say I prefer the Auteur to the Elex. Does not mess with the sound, Very revealing and sweet sounding is what I would call it.

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Think the Elex has a more in your face sound, more punchy and dynamic. To me the Auteur sounds more natural and warm and spacious, particularly with live music. So depends on the genre u like, I think comfort wise zmf > focals but focals i find very comfotable anyway

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I couldn’t ever imagine taking my Zmf’s outside either I couldn’t imagine them being accidentally dropped or something like that

Yeah i don’t think i could do it but part of me loves the idea of getting some monster DAP and just walking around town with Susvaras or LCD3s or something.
ā€œOh these? These are just my Abyss 1266s, gotta get off though, this is my stopā€

with enough determination anything is portable

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The abyss 1266 rip when it has no clamp and they go flying through the bus drivers windshield under heavy braking.

Good news is the build is indestructible and would be fine

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I would be more concerned about whatever they hit than the 1266 themselves.

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How do you like the Auteur on your G111 amp?

I no longer own a G111. But I like it a lot on all of my amps. But it does sound best on my Quicksilver Headphone Amp.

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Got my Auteur in Wenge around 2-3 weeks ago. Had to make an account to rave about them a little bit (excuse my lack of images, I am under new user restrictions)!

A little bit about me. I am a full-time Graduate Student under an RA (So make very little money). With the pandemic, music became a much larger part of my workflow. I had originally used a Sennheiser Hd 58x and Schiit Fulla 2, which I had for a few years. The long and short of it is that I was looking for a direct upgrade. I got the Auteur because I wanted to not have to purchase another upgrade any time soon. Presently I am running the Auteur single ended out of an Asgard 3, fed by a Motu M4.

Everytime I sit down to work I am floored by how amazing these are. I often get distracted as the music jusr feels so real. I just want to sit back and relax. So in some ways I have to listen to less music to get my work done, lol.

One question I had was about pad swaps. I got the Eikon Suede as a secondary pad option. The sound changes a lot in a way that I can’t really describe. Like the soundstage gets smaller, but the presentation feels more diffuse. So I have to turn up the volume to get the levels of the vocals to match. I initially didn’t like them compared to the Auteur Lambskin pads, but I spent a few days with them and they are quite enjoyable! I just wish I knew exactly what was going on so I could explain it. Does anyone have measurements they could share?

Anyway, they’re awesome and I’ma keep them 'till I die. :slight_smile:

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According to the ZMF site, the Eikon pads are warmer than the default Auteur pads. More lush and fuzzy, maybe losing some detail retrieval, but gaining some… pleasantness in the treble or mids maybe? I don’t know, just guessing based upon the diagram.

How is the comfort of the Auteur? The weight? Coming from the 58x, a light Sennheiser, do you notice the headphones on your head overly much? If you wear glasses, does it both you at all to wear glasses while wearing the Auteur?

With the Auteur vs. the 58x, also, would you say you routinely notice new things in the music you are listening to, or is it moreso just a refinement across the board of the sound?

Like you, I’m considering buying top tier or class so as not to be left guessing about it and make several purchases in rising increment of quality/price before then. Saves me time and money, I figure. Also like you, I use headphones while I work basically throughout the day.

Enjoy! Glad you’re happy.

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But at the same time, Suede is somehow supposed to be more neutral than Lambskin. I don’t wear glasses, so that’s not an issue. Weight is a tad more than I am used to, but it’s not at all a problem if you wear them for a few hours. I wouldn’t do 8+ hours straight though. If you’re like me, and work in 2-3 hour chunks with 5 minute stretch breaks every 30-45 minutes then you should have no issue.

If you have a VR headset, do NOT use these with them. They don’t clamp enough to stay on your head if you whip it around that fast. I use the sennheiser’s for that.

Detail is definitely way up! It feels like I can hear everything. Like nothing at all is lost. This also means that most of my music library sounds like a dumpster fire. Most of the music I own is shared with my family, and I took that iTunes library and uploaded it to Google Play (R.I.P). Re-downloading this library caused a lot of the files to undergo additional compression, so I can hear the generational artifacting. Not fun.

But on the music I have acquired since, they are absolutely stellar! Can’t find even a single complaint.

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ZMF have a diagram on what the pads do to the various headphones:

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What would you say is the better headphone for electronic - whether expansive, atmospheric and ambient electronic music, or more trebly synthy electronic music - the Auteur or the Aeolus?

Hmmmm.I own both and that is a good question as it depends on what you are driving them with… For the majority I prefer the Auteur but occasionally for specific music it is the Aeolus. Tubed I say Auteur for sure … SS COULD be the Aeolus but once again not always… Sorry as this probably does not help at all.

Had these guys show up today. Waiting to go home so I can give them a listen later :+1:

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I’ve been meaning to write a first impressions for the auteur since I got them five days ago but I find it hard to write down my thoughts of a headphone without listening to them at the same time but I find that I can’t get my thoughts down without the headphone pulling me back into just listening to the music. That being said I can give some very basic impressions for now as i’ve got around 30 hours of listening done on them so far. I’ll also be comparing them a bit to the Focal Elex as that was my best headphone before the auteur.

Comfort-

The first thing I feel needs mentioning is that for me personally the co-pilot pad is a requirement, I tried listening before putting it on for about 2 min before I felt a pretty bad hot spot forming on the top of my head but after putting the co-pilot pad on I was able to wear them for about 10 hours before having to take them off.

The ear pads aren’t as thick as I thought they would be but are very comfortable and I never found them to get uncomfortable during any amount of time I spent listening to the headphone.
Part of this might also have to do with how well they clamp, Which is a tiny bit tighter but exactly what you would want for a heavier headphone.

Build-

For build all I can say is if you haven’t seen or held a zmf in person, However nice you imagine the wood to be from images its significantly nicer in person, These are the most luxurious thing i’ve seen or touched in person and i’ve had the lucky opportunity to drive a Porsche 911 before.

I was also extremely lucky with my set and got some amazing spalting across both sides and a beautiful knot on the left cup.

Sound-

This is the one I can’t really be that in-depth about right now but eventually I might be able to go more into detail In a month or two.

The overall characteristic to these headphones for me is silky. It has this feeling of smoothness to all the details and vocals that isn’t really like any other headphone i’ve had before this one while simultaneously being more detailed than the elex was. It’s not like it doesn’t have texture to it either, It just feels to an extent like there is an extra layer of sound being added in.

The low end is also the tightest and deepest I’ve heard on any headphone but is only as strong as the recording makes it, It never feels as if it’s coloring the base or intruding on the mix.

The highs are crisp and sparkly but also get some of that soft and silky character I mentioned before without sounding unnatural.

The mids I can’t really fully explain but once again have that silky feeling and to me almost sound a tiny bit recessed but not really in a bad way, I feel this gives them a woody characteristic and contributes to the width of the sound stage.

Some of the other characteristics to this headphone is that they sound quite a bit bigger than the elex and have a larger soundstage to elex as well. That being said the shape of sounds in the headphones aren’t quite as realistic as the elex but also that’s something focal headphones are known for and only people who have owned or heard focal’s can really understand.

The headphone also isn’t quite as clear as the elex and I almost want to say not as tonally life like either but the auteurs excel in a different kind of way for a life like sound, It’s hard to explain but the elex has more of a clean sound almost like the instruments are outside without losing any of there tonality from a lack of reflections, The auteur on the other hand feels like your listening to the music without any recording properties in a basement or a pub, It has a soul too it almost like your hearing the music before it even reaches the studio.

Sorry for the slight ramble but my overall conclusion so far for these headphones is that they are absolutely worth the price. Despite this being my most expensive purchase in audio it’s the first time I’ve had zero buyer’s remorse which I even had some way back when I bought my 6XX’s.

For some reference I’m using them with the original JDS EL stack and my favorite bands consist of King Crimson, Portishead and massive attack, I also listened to a lot of classic rock throughout my time with them so far.




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Can anyone give some advice on what secondary pads I should get? I’m pretty sure I don’t want anything brighter over the default. I typically don’t like anything bright or V-shaped.
But ideally I don’t want any loss of clarity/detail either like was suggested with the Eikon pads.