đŸ”¶ 7HZ Timeless Planar

I get it, I passed mine on fairly quickly.

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interesting I got rid of Mele and Tea’s when I got my timeless lol
everyone’s tastes are different

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Nothing wrongs with you don’t liking a product. IMO finding a set that makes you happy while listening is the most important thing in this hobby. As said by @lilhm, best advice is to learn from this so you can better decide your next purchase. :wink:

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That’s indeed what bothers me the most: I don’t manage to put my finger on what this set does wrong for me.

At first I thought the instruments were too thin: I felt they were just points in the soundstage. Changing tips helped with that, but didn’t really changed the engagement thing much. The HE400i is my favourite headphone (although my hd6xx is grooving on me, despite its lack of stage and imaging), so I don’t think planar timbre is the culprit.

Maybe it’s the weird stage? I don’t recognize that “all instruments begging a glass” thing when I test for it, but it could be the reason I don’t feel immersed, too distant from the music?

I know there is too much bass for my taste, too (the aria is the nearest of my preferences on the subject) , but the bass seems too thin at the same time. But given the variety of bass delivery I have in my current sets(goes from Mele to SSR via kbear ks1 and kz zex pro), could it be considered a suspect?

I don’t know
 Yet
 I guess that ironically the timeless, because I like it the least, is the set I should spend the most time with, to try and experiment EQ/tips/songs and get what it lacks. It could be a great way to refine my tastes, yes
But I am capable of doing that? I guess I can only answer that question if I try.

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That is weird, usually when I don’t like a set I can name a reason, or five.

I was going to guess timber until you said that. The HE400se is what got me jump on the Timeless, they were my first magnetic planar, and I loved the sound and speed. It is odd that my first planar was just the end of the summer, and the S12 will be my third.

I am starting to wonder if you are correct that is a staging and imaging thing. I love the sound, but while there are lots of places for instruments, there are not many distances on the sound stage. If you hear them as too far away, that could be very unengaging. I hear them all as being pretty close, but with very little difference, so I perceive it as a narrow stage, but still good imaging in that space.

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That could be it: the lack of Distance differences
 I don’t have access to my set right now, but I’ll keep all that in mind when I listen to it again.

Thank you all for the feedback :pray:

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I know where you’re coming from, but like some said it already, taste, anatomy and all makes it a very subjective matter as you certainly already know. The higher “level” you were fortunate to listen the harder it is to come back to something else and if you do, it becomes an “analytic game”, where you overthink things when you’re just supposed to enjoy the music, a curse of some sort. Just use what makes you happy.

For me that’s simple, i have 3 songs that can make me cry but only if the hardware is competent, when testing some new stuff if the hardware gets in the way and failed to make me, i just put it in the bin whatever the price of the device (i sell it right away, because i’m sure it’s not for me).

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Where can I find Crinacle’s EQ? I’m pleased with mine, but I’d like to compare it with his.

The frequency response graphs describe this as a bassy headphone but I just can’t manage to make them sound bassy enough without EQ, regardless of what tips I’m using. Any ideas?

No such thing as “Crinacle’s EQ”.

Unless you mean EQ that corrects Timeless for his IEF Neutral Target in which case you have to do that yourself and it’s not very difficult.

But you want more bass, yes? Which bass exactly: Sub? Mid? IEF EQ make these have even less so if you don’t have enough bass you either don’t have good seal or you are the living definition of ‘bass head’.

Timeless has a very significant bass boost but also elevated mid-bass which makes them sound a bit thick.

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Here the FixedBand EQ from Crinacle results (AutoEQ harman_in-ear_2019v2)

Preamp: -4.9 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 31 Hz Gain -2.0 dB Q 1.41
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 62 Hz Gain -2.6 dB Q 1.41
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 125 Hz Gain -3.0 dB Q 1.41
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 250 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 1.41
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 1.41
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1000 Hz Gain 1.2 dB Q 1.41
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2000 Hz Gain -3.1 dB Q 1.41
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 4000 Hz Gain 4.7 dB Q 1.41
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 8000 Hz Gain 3.6 dB Q 1.41
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 16000 Hz Gain -6.6 dB Q 1.41

Here is the parametricEQ

Preamp: -6.1 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 83 Hz Gain -3.7 dB Q 0.35
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 4242 Hz Gain 3.3 dB Q 2.56
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 6077 Hz Gain 4.9 dB Q 2.31
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 8280 Hz Gain 2.4 dB Q 1.62
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 19879 Hz Gain -6.2 dB Q 0.24
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 239 Hz Gain -0.8 dB Q 1.52
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 911 Hz Gain 1.9 dB Q 0.78
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1336 Hz Gain -1.4 dB Q 1.98
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 2063 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 1.38
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 3180 Hz Gain 2.0 dB Q 4.42

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Thanks for the response but ignore my previous comment. It wasn’t the tips, the seal, nor am I a basshead, quite the contrary, I prefer dead neutral tuning to anything else. So, apparently my current source (an ibasso dc-03) broke and now lower frequencies are lacking regardless of which headphones I plug in.
I was afraid that something is wrong with my Timeless, but they’re bassy and sweet on all my other sources. Phew.

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Good to hear.

Timeless = tip dependent
get that sorted
add hybrid tubes = :sunglasses: stupid fun set for my library for the :moneybag::metal:

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Yeah I think the S12 will be tip dependent too, at least for my ears. Going to try a narrower bore!

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My fav “balanced” tips are Sony EPEX10AB’s hard to come by in the UK
“Narrow” then Final E’s :+1:

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@nymz I’ve just got my xinhs 4 core graphene. You were right
 amazing cable! :sunglasses::heart: Thank you.

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I like it a lot, I do switch around between the stock cable, which I like, the Xinhs 4 core graphene, and the Tripowin Altea.

I still think the Tripowin Zonie is my goto replacement cable, silver plated copper, under $20, really flexible, good sound, available in all standard ends and connectors.

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Thanks for the trust. I love that cable and Xinhs always does a great job :slight_smile:

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Aye tidy cable that :+1:

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I tried this eq yesterday, and it didn’t work for me. I don’t understand why you would tame the 2k region.

I used it as a base, though, and ended up with just a negative bass shelf that is a promising start.