🔶 7HZ Timeless Planar

[Resolution]

I’d direct you over here… 🔶 Unique Melody 3D Terminator

[luizgarcia]

I was interested in the Timeless but after hearing your impressions about its lack of slam (which i imagined would be a problem since its a planar set), i think it will not be a good option for me.

Now i am really interested in this UM 3DT

EDIT: Not even sure why i am still considering other IEMs honestly, i just spent the last hour reading this thread and banging my head while listening to the freaking AWESOME Dunu Zen, i guess no matter how good your current gear is, you always want to listen to something new?

[Resolution]

@luizgarcia

Now i am really interested in this UM 3DT

I’d rec it for you most definitely. I don’t think it slams as hard as the Zen but I think it would contrast with the Zen because of its treble. The Zen is dark and the 3DT is bright.

The 3DT is MEST MKII like in its authoritative slam, but because it is all dynamic drivers, it is more coherent but lacks the stage and imaging the MEST MKII has, but it is also far less expensive. It is hands down one of the best sets for the metal genre I have found. Check it out!

They are a fairly new discovery for me. I wish I had picked them up when they first released but some reviews steered me away.

[luizgarcia]

Just need to sort out some small details before i get myself one

[phuc_jackson2106]

I took a look at the UM 3DT before but, it might be too big for my ears… big shells big nozzles I’ve tried UM Mest MKI once, it was really hard to put in deep enough to secure on my ears.
Have you tried Fiio Fd7? Pure Be and graph looks promising.

[BluJay614]

The lack can be helped with a bass boost. The Truebass on the Zen Dac does liven things up a good bit. Some tip rolling should help level things out a bit more as well.

[Resolution]

@phuc_jackson2106

Have you tried Fiio Fd7?

I own the FD5 and FD3. I’m skipping the FD7 since beryllium is not bringing any advantages to the game beyond the FD5.

FiiO FD7 Earphones Review (1/DD Beryllium)

[Resolution]

@BluJay614

The lack can be helped with a bass boost.

Not with slam. I already stated this earlier in the thread…

@Resolution

It raises the bass amount but it is not slamming harder at all, quite the opposite. It bleeds into all the other frequencies.

Extra bass does not equal more slam. And bass is not slam. Upper frequencies slam too.

When I’m describing slam, what I mean is how hard it feels when the transients hit my eardrum.

Timeless = hearing the transient.

MEST MKII = hearing and feeling the transient hit me.

There has to be some level of slam in any audio we hear, it’s just the difference between how much slam the driver is capable of. I’m trying to point out the differences I’m hearing that make the Timeless different/special for anyone interested in purchasing it.

I tried and no additional slam was available. I even increased volume and I feel the driver fell apart as I added more power.

I personally feel the Timeless’ FR has ample amount of bass to begin with.

The planar driver just does not appear to be able to push more air because of it’s size. I think Timeless is better in general than all the other planars before it because it is huge and is pushing as much air as it does. To be able to push more air, the driver might need to be even larger than it already is. I’m not an engineer though. Timeless does a pretty good job in general for most music genres, but it does not excel at dynamics just as all BA sets do not either. Lots of music won’t need or even benefit much from a lot of slam. It just so happens @luizgarcia is a slam whore. And I mean that in the nicest of ways possible. I like my slam too.

[BluJay614]

I can’t say I don’t like my slam, but I tend to prioritize good clean bass. It may be why I’m looking at a single 10" sub for the truck(beyond size constraints of my smaller truck).
Eh. I would ask, any recommendations for a sub $500 dap (preferably keep under $400, but I could stretch things a bit) that might make a decent pairing for these? Balanced does seem to benefit them, more thanks to the increased power.

[Godria]

@Resolution

I personally feel the Timeless’ FR has ample amount of bass to begin with.

I think also by reading your initial thoughts the 7hz timeless is a good upgrade for those who loved the P1 , but they want more bass without sacrificing the detail.

I think for those who own P1 they will most likely love the 7hz timeless.

And

For sharing, and updating your impressions

[nymz]

Hello and welcome to hfgf

As @Resolution stated, avoid all BA sets for prog metal. He is the in house prog master, so his recs will be on point.

You’ll need a DD for that specific genre to shine.

[Plex_Flex]

Today I’m gonna try listening to metal on my IEMs with a DD compared to all BA. Usually I prefer fast BA bass.

[nymz]

Yeah, BA speed is nice. What is hard to get is that same speed with slam impact. That’s why FH3, 3DT, FH7, Mest Mk2 come to mind for prog metal.

They are fast and impactful.

I love BA sets tho, but I dont do prog much. Im a mids guy

Ps: I never heard fh7 or 3dt since they dont sinergize with my library, but I trust Res on this two.

[Ohmboy]

@nymz

I never heard fh7

FH7 was one of my sets I got shot of lol

[Jman841]

I was really interested in this set and I’m not a slam junkie, but the lack of imaging is keeping me away. I love good imaging as Tool is one of my favorite bands and their music is extremely well recorded, especially the construction of the drum kit. With good imaging, it’s almost like sitting right behind the drummer as he plays.

[Rcayn]

Well there are different reports. Some praise the technicalities, some trash them.

BGGAR says they excel at imaging and stage etc.

Resolution says they suck at it.

[Kev]

This too is my only concern but I’m of the camp that has to try things for themselves to understand exactly how things sound.

Reviewers will give their opinion based on relative and comparative assessments of things from their current and sometimes past experiences. They may have TOTL gear and vast experience and so expectations are higher or they may have some mid tier equipment, it’s all relative. Let’s not also forget everyone hears things differently so reviews form only about 25% of my final thoughts on something.

I’m really hoping the Timeless imaging is good though, it could be a deal breaker for me also.

[Godria]

@Kev

Let’s not also forget everyone hears things differently so reviews form only about 25% of my final thoughts on something.

I agree. I was about to say the same thing

[Plex_Flex]

To me it sounds like seperation and imaging comes with high resolution. Anyway for good imaging an open back headphone would be a better choice.

[Resolution]

@Kev

Reviewers will give their opinion based on relative and comparative assessments of things from their current and sometimes past experiences. They may have TOTL gear and vast experience and so expectations are higher or they may have some mid tier equipment, it’s all relative. Let’s not also forget everyone hears things differently

I think everyone forgot these impressions of the Timeless…

@Resolution

There is not much not to like about the Timeless it does a lot right including resolution, clarity and detail and tonal balance.

@Resolution

It has none of the issues dynamic drivers do with speed and clarity of the leading edge of transients. It is extremely fast being able to reproduce transients in metal with perfect clarity and detail.

@Resolution

The Timeless presents a unique sound I feel most audiophiles will love with not many downsides. It is generally a wonderful sounding IEM with outstanding resolution capabilities

@Resolution

The fact that this IEM is only around 200 bucks is astonishing.

@Resolution

I’d recommend this IEM to any enthusiast without blinking.

@Resolution

The Timeless is showing me that there is still yet another alternative to doing a detailed presentation of treble.

@Resolution

“there’s really not much I’m finding wrong with these to complain about or even mention”

“who wouldn’t be happy listening to these?”

Looking at Mele and Timeless sitting on my desk to the side of me, I ask myself what my other IEMs bring to the table with huge price tags above these IEMs? As more and more amazing IEMs with small price tags enter the ring, I’m finding it more and more difficult to justify anyone spending so much money on the super high end unless you’re stupid like I am.