It’s imaging is above average but if he wants more bass then the 770 it’s not there but should image the same if not better
not sure what ur price range is but the Carbon Nighthawks seem up your alley. I don’t know much about gaming but they do have really good imaging, they are bass cannons but still have very reputable treble and great mids with forward vocals. semi closed as well. and comfort for days. They are slightly harder to find nowadays but depending on where you like (like the UK) they can even be found new at times and when not still around the 250-300 price range
I saw the nightowls for sale somewhere. their the closed back version of the nighthawk
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Here’s the link to Music Direct. They’re said to have a bit more traditional of a sound, but I’ve never heard them to compare.
https://www.musicdirect.com/headphones/AudioQuest-NightOwl-Carbon-Headphones-B-STOCK
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I vote the mmx
At this price point and already owning dt770, I’d say save your money until you can move up further.
I own the dt770 80ohm (old plastic version), mogami rewired from cup to cup, detachable cable and dekoni choice leather pads. I have owned the argons mk2 and the mmx300 along with the dt770 all at the same time. I have also owned the m1060c but only at the same time as the Argons. I used the dekoni choice leathers on the mmx300 as well. I am a thick glasses user as well and they were all run from Burson Play. They are all in the same ballpark but here is my imo rankings.
Bass 1060c >> mmx300 > Argon > dt770
Literally the only thing the 1060c has is awesome bass. Everything else about this headphone was average to really bad. The mmx300 has great sub bass rumble more than the Argon. I loved the rumble the mmx put out. Argon probably is better though the whole range.
Mids Argon >> dt770 > mmx300 >> 1060c
Argons sounded best here for the meat of the music. For vocals they were the best of the bunch. Something was really wonky for me with 1060c lots of shout and weirdness. Not as much difference between dt770 and mmx. Dt770 gets the nod because I don’t hear the treble as extended or the bass as boosted.
Treble mmx300 > Argon > dt770 > 1060c
Treble is well extended on mmx and sparkles. May be too much for some but it provides more detail. Argon is more subdued but provides a very pleasant experience. Dt770 somewhere in between not as pleasant as argon but not as detailed as mmx. 1060c just no.
Comfort/Build Argon > dt770 > mmx300 >>>>>>>> 1060c
Argon was very comfortable and built like a tank. Same for dt770 but due to age and mods it has less clamp than the mmx300 and 1060c. Mmx is fine but you get the volume pot cable and it clamps like a banshee out of the box. Stock pads on mmx are also pretty stiff. 1060c lololololololol. I don’t have to say anything about it’s build just look at it. Comfort was ok but why bumps ok the headband who does that?
Not going to give summary on the last two because nothing is standing out from memory.
Soundstage Argon > mmx > dt770
Imaging/detail mmx300 >= Argon > dt770
I feel that when it comes to gaming anything “competent” is fine upgrading for gaming beyond that is dumb and makes no difference.
Overall I regret returning the mmx300. I bought it new for 250 and now it’s gone up in price. It sealed the best for me with my glasses so it provides the best isolation which to me is the only reason to use a closed back. It’s mic while sensitive also sounds really good. I don’t feel the Argons are worth the wait time at this point and with the increase in price on the mmx plus the dekoni pads not sure that’s worth it either. With the wait time and extra added cost I’m not sure either argon or the mmx present great value.
Like I said I’d keep your dt770 and save your money for something that’s a further step up unless you hate them or just have to have something new.
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I see, yeah, in this case I just wanted a closed back bass cannon to be a complement to the 770’s, cause I like them, but don’t want them to be my only closed back. After that, I am still tempted to leap for argons, even if they don’t have huge amounts of bass, as long as Argons would work well on EDM music as well. I appreciate the comparison, and wanted to ask if you’ve heard the Audioquest Nightowls, as those look like they might be what I’m looking for, as suggested by another user.
For comparison sake (if this helps), I threw some some AHG sheepskin pads on the DT 770’s, which are fairly comfortable and maybe increased the bass a little, but other than that I didn’t notice too much change.
My price range stops right around 300, if there’s something amazingly better for 350 I might be able to squeeze it, but someone posted Nightowl’s B-stock on Music Direct for 300 exactly. How would you say you’ve liked them/used them. And, also, I am in the USA, for reference.
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Thank you, now I’m sort of tempted to leap for these, and I’m hoping they’re still available in about a month when I want to get them. It’s probably, at this point, these, or Argons.
Nighthawks or Nightowls would depend on whether you want a Dark headphone or not as these are pretty dark. Pretty special headphone. Would definitely go Argons though if you wanted that bass.
How would you compare the Argon’s and Nightowls (as I think the Owls are the only one closed back)?
i haven’t used the nightowl, but to my knowledge it seems to be identical to the nighthawks in tuning. the presentation should be the only difference. probably less open sounding of course too. I would love it if someone here has tried them to give their knowledge on it. but as someone who has used the hawks, if it’s anything like the hawks i think it’s a major go. Beautiful deep bass, amazing mids, and pretty good treble. the sound signature is a W as well so it’s super engaging, great imaging etc. i think that would probably be a safe bet and worthy upgrade in many ways
Nightowls are indeed the closed back while nighthawks are open. Nightowls are Dark yet bassy, sounds very similar to the nighthawk imo just with more bass, while Argons are Warm and balanced.
If you had to pick only one to power bassy tracks (say bass heavy edm and hip hop) and gaming, which one would you pick?
That is very tempting, and if they still have it available for 300, that might just be what I have to go for.
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For gaming? I like a more balanced sound with my heavier bass so Argons or MMX300 if you can’t get argon. Nightowl can make some particular things sound muffled or veiled, meanwhile others really sound incredible, in some cases not to say it’s bad by any means that’s just how I hear them though I kept my nighthawks and gave my owls to a buddy of mine. Not sure if it’s truly a W though as I don’t own any other W signatures or really anything that I have auditioned that is similar in comparison. It’s an incredibly unique headphone. Make sure to get the Carbons though if your going to get with the Nightowl. I only have experience with the Carbons but they are said to sound better and they come with an additional set of pads to alter the sound a bit which is nice.
I got you, I think I might be back to Argons then (maybe, decisions decisions oh god)
Well, since you already own the 770s if you wanted a step up from there with less brightness and more bass pick up the 177x go apply Brainwavz XL perf pads to them and they become a much better sounding U signature with a heavy bass presence while maintaining that treble though they are $450 they do go on sale every now and then and this is what replaced my own dt 770s. Meze 99s neutral warm wide and bassy are a great sounding headphone too to toss in here, Nightowls dark and bassy like stated are incredibly unique though I would say a tad too dark for gaming imo this is definitely a preference pick, Argons warm and balanced, Dekoni Blue bright and bassy, and MMX300 sounds similar to the argons imo and are just a little less wide. are all very wide bassy cans too.
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yeah, im considering waiting for 177x’s and maybe waiting, it depends on how much I like the planar sound (the 4XX’s that are coming will be my intro to that). How would you compare the 177x’s and the argons/nighthawks, esp 177x in terms of bass heavy songs/sub bass?
Argons had the most bass to my ears and is very balanced. I picked this up recently as I wanted something to go alongside my balanced liquid platinum setup these pair perfectly and are one of my favorites honestly, 177x follows that provided you change the pads as those velours really kill a lot of that bass presence the sheepskins that come with it can help with that but not as much as a perf xl from brainwavz or like a dekoni choice leather pad however this is definitely a brighter headphone than the argons and has some recessed mids really hard toss up between this and the argons depends on what you want out of your headphone, Nightowl is kinda bassy to the point it tends to bleed a little into mids, not bad but I didn’t notice this on my hawks, despite that it has a noticeable bass slam and good extensions alongside the dark sound it has with the highs being rolled off and clear mids. Due to the inherent sound though I only use my hawks for music listening and never gaming it just doesn’t sound right to me. You will probably like the 4XX though as it is another balanced yet slightly warm and intimate sound