šŸ”¶ Beyerdynamic DT880 600Ī©

Though a large box, that Yamaha is designed for driving (many) speakers and isnā€™t going to offer a ton of quality or power to your headphones. The SHPs are very easy to power by comparison, but I would guess a dedicated DAC and headphone amp would be transformative with these high impedance Beyers.

Even in the event that youā€™re hooking up the main channel leads of that HT receiver to an out box to plug the cansā€¦ Iā€™d rather run a dedicated headphone amp to them than mess with a 5.1 receiver.

Asgard 3, good price if in US. Lots of single-ended output.

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Interesting! Itā€™s a good thing I still have money to burn if this amp doesnā€™t pan out. Iā€™m a super-noob at all this stuff, but I found the specifications for my receiver. Would someone mind looking at this and letting me know if any of this sounds like itā€™ll work?

If youā€™re using the headphone output, it seems like this gives the headphone jack 400mW at 8 ohms with an output impedance of 470ohms. Thatā€™s not a recipe for success. Bad.

Understand that to realize the ā€œpower headphones from speaker ampā€ solution with a traditional amp/receiver, youā€™re converting the speaker output terminals on the back of the unit to your headphoneā€™s connection, which will take an accessory box or DIY fix.

The Emotiva unit that Z did this with has a built-in ā€œhackā€ to accomplish this. The very idea that a speaker amp is ā€œnecessaryā€ for these headphones might be one of the most heavily debated subjects Iā€™ve seen in this forum. Listening currently to them on a Magni3, I donā€™t generally go past 3:30, but in a perfect world, Iā€™d look to have a little bit more for them (215/230mW @ 600ohm)

But, if you have the equipment, you be the judge - what do you think of it?

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Alright, headphones came in the mail 30 minutes ago and Iā€™ve been listening sinceā€¦ So here are my first thoughts from the headphone jack of my Yamaha RX-V363. My top thought is that these headphones are just so. fucking. revealing and I love it! with no EQ from the amp, these feel neutral as hell, an attribute I really appreciate, but I will most likely bump up the bass a bit.

listened to some tracks and here are my thoughts:

deafheaven ā€œcanary yellowā€ opening is just crisp as hell and very clear, much better separation in the instruments, just a joy to listen to. the breakdown before the guitars kick in has this warbly feedback i have never heard before and its DOPE.

vince staples ā€œblue suedeā€ - simple in terms of what is on the track: trunk popping bass, gunshot snare hit right in the middle, machine gun high hats, and siren synths on top. i use this track as a measure of how boomy a headphoneā€™s bass is and these headphones are just clean bass, nothing missing but nothing added. Vinceā€™s vocals have sibilance in the recording and i believe the vocal track is overdriven on purpose. i donā€™t actually mind, but its just. so. HERE.

joji ā€œewā€ - jojis vocals are processed quite a bit here and theres a background hiss iā€™ve never heard before when heā€™s singing, pretty sure this is the recording? during the bridge thereā€™s backing vocal that sounds so much more present in the recording through these headphones.

tame impala ā€œalter egoā€ - i guess my first thought was that there was a lot less distrortion in this recording than i thought. in car speakers and the various cheap headphones iā€™ve had before, everything comes across a bit of a beautiful, muddled mess. Less so of a mess on these headphones, and much more beautiful.

diane clucke ā€œimpatient sunā€ - a home recording done in a single take with ambient home noise in the background. iā€™ve had the privilege and pleasure of seeing diane in concert and with these cans sheā€™s signing directly into my brain and i could cry.

the beach boys - ā€œwouldnā€™t it be nice (stereo mix)ā€ just so fun to listen to. the stereo mix puts all the different instruments in elements in their own separate locations and the vocals really just pop and feel so sunny and shiney and happy.

danny brown ā€œdownward spiralā€ - our boy danny spitting in that harsh high pitch we so enjoy. the art-rap beat/sample in the background just comes to life, and the echo in the chorus becomes surreal and something i had not really heard before in this track.

Wonder how theyā€™ll perform in game, I play Overwatch fairly often. Iā€™m good with how theyā€™re being driven with this amp at the moment, but I would like to experiment with a different DAC/AMP combo. Iā€™ve got some money coming (not the stimulus bux) and Iā€™ll probably be looking for something in the 500-1000 price range.

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Any mods/products that can make the headband more comfortable? Itā€™s cutting into my head and becoming distracting in long listening sessions.

Specifically for Beyer, you can find some in Amazon like these: https://www.amazon.com/Headband-Replacement-Beyerdynamic-DT880PRO-Sennheiser/dp/B01LZEDQXJ

But you could go to other types, like ZMF pilot: https://shop.zmfheadphones.com/collections/pads/products/pilot-pad

Or even some cloth ones, although these will probably have less padding (I bought one for my Focal): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L61YYXQ/

I had some issues the first few days but itā€™s less noticeable now. I tried looking for articles since there is a lot of balance modding and earpad swaps going on for the DT880, but I came up short.
As Fabiokelm says, itā€™s an option but Iā€™m curious myself what options there are here and if there is any clear advantage.

Welp I went ahead and tried my own mod in the meantime, just took a soft sock and cut it in half so I just had a tube of cloth. Then, I cut it lengthwise so I could wrap it around the headband. It actually mostly stays in place by tucking it under the ā€œhornsā€ on either side. Feels better. Maybe could use some extra cushioning stuffed insideā€¦

Canā€™t believe Iā€™m wearing a sock on my headā€¦

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Pic?? :laughing:

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Here are my thoughts on this headphone. I wrote this as a review for my own website, so I am posting it here and itā€™s written that way, so forgive some of the stuff most people here already know.

I bought the Beyerdynamic DT880 600Ī© and the Emotiva BasX A-100 speaker amp a few months ago to find out for myself what all the fuss was about from ZeosPantera, an audio reviewer I enjoy following on YouTube.

I have two pair of DT880ā€™s, a 250Ī© and a 600Ī© version. Iā€™m going to be talking about the 600Ī© only here and I did some testing with the Emotiva amp, and two other amps to see the differences first-hand.

The deal was that you could buy this Emotiva speaker amp for just over $200 and with it, run some high impedance headphones on them by doing what is known as a ā€˜page 11 mod.ā€™ On page 11 of the owners manual they tell you that you can use the included pin jumper to bypass the headphone protection circuit and divert the full power of the amp to the headphone circuit. Thatā€™s 50 watts per channel into 8 ohms or 80 watts per channel into 4 ohms.

Thatā€™s not something that is recommended to anyone who doesnā€™t know what theyā€™re doing with headphones, amplifiers and raw power like that. The vast majority of headphones, and IEMā€™s, on the market are high efficiency, low impedance, ones. The DT880ā€™s, 600Ī©, are an exception to this rule. They are high impedance and hard to drive headphones that require a good bit of power to get good sound out of them.

After I received the headphones I let them burn in for 72 hours. Playing them right away, out of the box, they didnā€™t sound that good at all. But after such a long burn in, they sounded much better.

Now, the Emotiva amp delivers on the power as Zeos said in his video review. But that comes at a sacrifice. That sacrifice is noise on the circuit. Remember this is a speaker amp, and not purposefully designed to run headphones like other dedicated amps are doing. So the noise floor is quite high. I can hear a hiss when the amp is turned on. Thatā€™s with no music playing and the volume knob turned completely down to nothing. The hiss is less noticeable when music is playing loud enough and youā€™re not trying to hear it.

I did plug in a pair of 64Ī© headphones into it for a few seconds with the volume all the way down and no music playing and the hiss was incredibly loud. Again, this is not a dedicated headphone amp but a speaker amp first.

Some people Iā€™ve seen say you need this Emotiva amp, or other high- powered amp to drive these headphones properly. Well I have a few other dedicated headphone amps, both solid state and tube, that I can do some testing on to see how true that sentiment is.

The other amps I used were the Drop THX 789 (solid state) and a Darkvoice 336 SE (tube). I chose some songs that I know well and enjoy which had a decent amount of bass and mids in them to try this testing with. The only things I was looking to check on were
power and noise. I wasnā€™t looking for sound-stage, dynamic range or clarity. I just wanted to see if these other amps could power the DT880ā€™s well enough to enjoy music without distortion and the least amount of noise as possible.

I found something interesting in my testing. But first, Iā€™ll say that all of the amps I used, the Emotiva BasX A-100, Drop THX 789, and the Darkvoice 336 SE all powered the DT880ā€™s just fine. Not once did I hear any distortion at all. I think overall, the Emotiva performed the worst in one out of the two areaā€™s I was checking on.

As for power, yes, it has the power to drive these just fine. But, the noise floor was high compared to the other two amps. In fact, I heard no noise at all in the THX 789 or the Darkvoice.

On the Emotiva I had the volume knob at probably 50% to get a real good volume that I wanted to listen at. With the THX 789 I had to put it on high gain (level 3) and turn the knob all the way to 75% to match the volume level of the Emotiva. The same went with the
Darkvoice, 75% on the volume knob (there are no gain switches).

Now the interesting thing I mentioned which I found is that the bass response of the DT880ā€™s was best felt on the THX 789 over the Emotiva which has far more power to drive these. The THX 789 just performed better in every way over the Emotiva with these
headphones. The Darkvoiceā€™s bass response seemed to match the Emotiva. Both were good and acceptable, but the THX 789 sounded so much better.

Also, the DAC I used was the Geshelli Labs Enog with the optical input and the source files were FLAC played through my Linux PC and the terminal music player CMUS.

EDIT: I should also mention that I had the Dekoni Choice Suede pads on the DT880ā€™s, not the stock pads.

Overall, yes, the Emotiva can easily drive these headphones, but in my opinion, itā€™s not the best choice to pair with them. The noise floor is very high and the bass response was a touch lower than on the THX 789. I honestly did not expect the THX 789 to outperform the Emotiva in this area, but there it is.

Of course, all of this is subjective and based on my ears, and how I perceived the sound. YMMV.

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the things we do in the pursuit of greatness

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:laughing: :laughing: Whatever works!

Thanks for this insight, makes me feel less anxious about getting the ā€œrightā€ DAC/AMP combo. I been mulling over lots of stuff, and Iā€™m currently leaning towards the ifi Zen CAN launch edition and the ifi DAC right nowā€¦

Can I ask your method for burning in headphones? This is something Iā€™ve read a lot of people doing and I guess Iā€™m curious to see if my set would benefit from it.

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:+1:

In my case it is the ifi zen CAN!

Sounds much better with the 880ā€™s than the Emotiva

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Just go for it :100:

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All I did was connect the DT880ā€™s to the Emotiva and started playing music from my library and let it run for 72 hours. I put them on my head and checked volume levels at the start to set it at a decent level. Then I put the headphones on a foam block and let it go.

I think it will benefit from a burn-in session. Iā€™ve found some headphones sound pretty good right out of the box, and some do not. These DT880ā€™s did not sound good out of the box to me.

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Is there a difference between a dedicated burn-in session and simply using them for a while?

No, I donā€™t think so. One can choose to do a burn in before enjoying their headphones, or just use them and listen to them improve in sound slowly over time. That is, depending on how long a headphone takes to get to its optimal sound. Some wonā€™t take long at all, others might take a while.

This morning I did another test using the Schiit Jotunheim on high gain. I was too tired last night to turn on my Windows PC or get behind the desk again to swap some cables around.

The differences in this test compared to the other three amps are I am using the Schiit multibit DAC module inside the Jotunheim and while playing the same tracks as yesterday, they are on my Windows box and through Foobar.

Still looking at the same things as before, noise floor and power here. With the Jotunheim I found that it had more power, or headroom, than the THX 789 and Darkvoice. Getting the volume level about the same was better at 55% to 60% on the knob compared to the 75% on the other two. There was no noticeable noise floor at all. That is unless I had no music playing, the amp on, and I turned the knob to 100%. Only then I could detect a faint hint of hiss. But for any practical sense of the measurement, there is no noise with the Jotunheim. The other thing was that the bass response was comparable to what I experienced with the THX 789.

So now with four amps tested on the DT880 600Ī© I can, in my opinion, say that any decent amp on the market can power these headphones respectably. One doesnā€™t need a ā€˜page 11ā€™ mod to enjoy these headphones. In fact, the Emotiva BasX A-100 is probably the poorest choice to pair with these headphones.

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So, plot twist, since Iā€™m content to listen to these through my Yamaha RX-V363 at the moment, I did a thingā€¦ I was watching different reviews on YT and I came across the review from ā€œNo Theme Reviews.ā€

After watching the full video where he sorta debunks Zā€™s recommendation, he goes on to talk about the Beyerdynamic A20 and A2 being great for these (sort of an obvious choice looking back on it.) However, since Iā€™m not keen spending that kind of money specifically just to get the ā€œbestā€ sound out of these guys, I bought his other recommendation: A $60 Douk amp that apparently has a favorable output impedance to match the DT880. Since this is crazy talk, but cheap crazy talk, Iā€™m going to take a chance and see how it sounds. Should be here in a month or so since itā€™s shipping from China.

Meanwhile, Iā€™ll stick with my Yamaha, and probably go with the iFi CAN/DAC stack at some point soon.

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