šŸ”¶ Beyerdynamic T1 Gen2

No real thoughts from me on that, same boat over here. Havenā€™t found a headphone thatā€™s as good in this regard. HD800S didnā€™t cut it, love my arya but they definitely arent replacing my T1 in its use case of imagingā€¦ theres headphones that have higher qualities but they always tend to have some kind of issue where they arenā€™t natural and organic something ends up sounding artificial. Would love to find some alternatives

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Something I found rather interestingā€¦

Courtesy of DIYaudioheaven, tygr in red, over there this explains why I love the T1 and Tygr so much I guessā€¦ the similarities are unreal T1 just essentially being the better headphoneā€¦ so I guess perhaps I can say the T1.2 is the upgrade of the Tygr?

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Has anyone tried the feliks echo mkii or espressivo mkii with the t1.2nd? I believe there is a video review with the echo mk I

Iā€™ve tried a mk1 with the 1.2 and it was pretty enjoyable imo. Generally calms down the treble overall, more warmth and body, a bit sweeter and softer, still reasonably technical, a good match if you are looking to relax it a bit and make it more rich. Great width overall although slightly more hazy imaging and placement. Dynamically a bit more relaxed with a more micro focus, sometimes wanting a bit more macrodynamics. Has decent control although on the slightly looser side of things. Reasonable detail, great timbre overall, same with tonality

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quick question, anyone here try the dekoni velour pads? Not the elite ones but the ones in their EarpadZ section for regular velourā€¦ they look similar to the stock pads. Was curious if they are any good.

Just got a pair of these in mint condition- only been listening for about an hour, but some initial thoughts:
For $830 CAD all in, I got the cans, SE and Balanced Cable, and an extra set of Dekoni Sheepskin Fenestrated pads. For that money- these are definitely worth it over the 880 600 Ohm. If bought new, with taxes, the 880s offer an unbeatable value proposition, but for the additional imaging and soundstage alone these things are beast. People say the 880s are imaging monsters, and theyā€™re good, but not mind blowing. The T1s are definitely more musical, the bass is definitely better, and the imagingā€¦ My god the imaging. I donā€™t know if Iā€™m treble sensitive person, but what I do know is that I didnā€™t find the 880s THAT bright, and not fatiguing. I donā€™t know if thatā€™s because of my G111/Zen DAC combo, or what. Not so sound like Zeos, but maybe people that find these too bright arenā€™t powering them enough. I couldnā€™t stand the treble spike I got with the T60 Argons so I donā€™t think itā€™s because Iā€™m immune to all treble spikes.

Some people say these are a better version of the 880s, others say theyā€™re not- Iā€™m in the former camp. If you like the 880s, and want a ā€œbetterā€ version of those, you would like these. Apparently these sound even better out of a tube, which I donā€™t have the space for, but I can see how tubes would take these over the top. End of the day, for the additional sound stage these offer theyā€™re worth it.

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im building a bottlehead crack right now and also got theeese recently used, after im done and have burned my tubes in i can tell you if your missing much in compairson to a g111 because right now it drives mine wounderfully :wink:

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For real though that would be amazing

will do :face_with_monocle: , just not sure when ill manage to swing my solder iron around :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

By chance, has anybody tried(or perhaps can try) the Dekoni Fostex pads on these and see how they perform?

Note: dont try fostex pads on this, it doesnā€™t sound right and they just donā€™t fit rightā€¦ rather uncomfortable actuallyā€¦ stay stock or regular beyer dekoni pads on this

Other thing, just sold HD800S to keep these. I sat with Hd800S for weeks on end of lateā€¦ picked these back upā€¦ 800s didnā€™t justify the price in my opinion

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So would you say that the DT880 is brighter, equal or less bright than the T1? I didnā€™t quite catch that.

The T1s are more detailed, which can give them the appearance of being more bright. Some tracks can have a bit of a spike but generally speaking I donā€™t find them too bright to listen too. I can see why people call both bright headphones- maybe Iā€™m just a sucker for detail. If you like the 880s youā€™ll definitely not find the T1s any more intense than that but if you are hoping that the T1s are going to be the 880s without the intense detail or brightness/harshness (perceived) you may be disappointed. I can understand why reviewers say youā€™re either gonna love them or hate them- I just happen to love them. Iā€™ve also blasted loud music directly into my years since I was 12 for almost 15 years so maybe Iā€™ve just damaged my hearing to the point I donā€™t notice. Also gonna depend on whatā€™s up the chain- with the Ares II DAC it made my headphones brighter than my Zen- if I had kept the Ares I may have found them intolerable. I also just bought a Burson Soloist 3x (not here yet) to help had a little class A smoothness- if you underpower them or have a brighter amp they might also be intolerable.

yeah, never bother with this headphone if you donā€™t have the right amp and dac synergyā€¦ 880 can be just as bothersome about that. As for the Burson, according to what I have seen and heard from some others that itā€™s a cut above a liquid platinumā€¦ I would think itā€™d be just fine provided the dac works alongside that setup since that burson is only an amp.

Yeah I considered the LP for a hot minute, but figured it wouldnā€™t be a big enough jump over my G111, and the Burson will definitely make me feel like I can finally be done worrying about amps. In the future if Iā€™m ever wealthy enough to spend $3K on an amp, great, but short of a Susvara Iā€™ll finally feel confident feeling ā€œif my cans donā€™t sound good out of the Burson, itā€™s the cans, not the ampā€ (assuming DAC is a good synergy with Burson)

definitely will depend on the cans in that caseā€¦ not all cans get along with warmer amps to be fair.

also this, not sure how picky burson is though

See thatā€™s where Iā€™m confused- whatā€™s definite is that it will be an upgrade. MON has told me if I want warmer, the Burson isnā€™t the way to go and offered other recommendations. Iā€™ve also heard other reviewers/people say itā€™s incredibly transparent and clean. Others say itā€™s that class A warmth. I honestly donā€™t know what to believe at this point- Iā€™m just excited lol

I wouldnā€™t say itā€™s warm tonally, but it is very very smooth without sacrificing detail and it comes across on brighter cans as really nice. Easily the best that Iā€™ve heard HD800s, T1.2s, HE1000se, DT880/990 600 ohm and a lot of others is on the soloist. The main reason Iā€™ve strayed away from tubes is that they can oversmooth stuff and sometimes kill a bit of detail and the Burson gives almost a tube like smoothness without the detail loss and warmth. Iā€™m a big fan of brighter or more V shaped cans and the fact that it smooths without blunting sounds is pretty amazing and is really something you kinda gotta hear to understand. Also the normal mode with the volume control does get a bit too smooth for my tastes but I just solve that by using volume bypass mode and it puts it right back where it should be, but that requires either adjusting volume with your DAC or with a preamp somewhere, but itā€™s very worth it.

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So eventually i have formed an option on the t1.2 on the bottlehead crack, although I know itā€™s a bit late after you pulled the trigger on the soloist :sweat_smile:

Firstly Iā€™ll have to say Iā€™m a metal head through and through so Iā€™ll can only comment on its viability into the rock and a bit of instrumental :wink: and also till now the only Beyer can i have sold is a dt990 250ohm previously powered out of a cheap DAC Amp, so if someone is treble sensitive Iā€™m not the right person to ask XD

For me the bottlehead is the perfect companion to the g111 for the T1, i wouldnā€™t say itā€™s the amp for everything but till now i only build the standard crack without the Speedball upgrade so maybe that may change later after i do the modification :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

If you want clarity and separation and the best out of the soundstage the T1 has i think the g111 does the job especially for more technical soundtracks with fast guitar solos
But if you listen to old power metal like Judas priest or iron maiden and you come from a hd 650
One could think think the T1 sounds hollow because of the lacking mids, thatā€™s where the crack does the trick for me because itā€™s bumps the bass to mid bass in it youā€™ll take a step forward and loose a bit of perceived soundstage but if youā€™ll only want to sit down and relax itā€™s the upgrade for a 650 lover :heart_eyes:

Not sure itā€™s the best for someone with space constraints or that wants one HP and Amp but if you have 2 or more high impedance HP and like to tinker itā€™s a nice little Amp :grin:

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I apologize if I caused some confusion, going by only what I have been told about it as saidā€¦ i was led to believe it subtly leans warm.