Ok so I have a few questions, Iām looking to use my tygrs solely for comp gaming and Iām wondering would the atom or Fulla 3 be better? I have the Fulla right now and I find myself putting the volume past 50% to make it sound loud enough. Is that ok? Also will these headphones sound better after using them more? I feel like right now Iām switching between these and my Bose soundsports and although I do hear a difference itās not a bad difference on the Bose. If that makes sense. And lastly these headphones feel like they are squeezing my head together, granted I have a decently sized head. How long will these take to break in do you think? Thanks.
hmm, in this case normally I would say there are better options for comp gaming less one is treble sensitive or just hates brighter headphones still great for an all rounder.
Since you already own fulla 3 just stick with the fulla. 50% is just fine. Normally I put my computer volume at around 50% - 75% and adjust the amp accordingly this way I am getting enough power.
Generally, yes as you use them more they will burn in and adjust their signature as well as the headphone will break in and become more comfortable due to the bending of the headband and use of the pads. I would never use a bose for competitive gaming or really just in general as I despise their sound quality just me personally though I like their speakers just not their headphones or ear buds. You stand to have better soundstage and imaging with the Tygrs.
I have heard this a couple times so far but I guess itās to be expected in some cases. What I do from time to time when I get a headphone like that is find something whether its a stack of books, the box it came in, just something that has about the width of your head from ear to ear and carefully stretch the headphone over them maybe slight bit more. Leave it stretched like that for about 2 - 3 days give or take and it will break in the pads and stretch out the band more. Keep in mind though, this is more of a permanent stretch of the banding. You will see other people like zeos use foam blocks which also can stretch out a headphone.
I read your comp gaming list and Iād love to get the 1990ās but itās just not in my price range. So for my needs you would recommend the 880ās over the tygrs? Also do you have any earbuds that you would recommend for competitive? After trying earbuds recently they feel so much better after a few hours of use.
For competitive gaming under 200 i would recommend the 880 or the AKG 701 over the tygrs. But the tygrs arenāt bad for competitive too. They have spectacular imaging and positioning, but arenāt as neutral as the 880 or the 701. The Akg is the flatest or most neutral of the three. For me it was too boring, but i like headphones with elevated bass
Understandable, they are quite pricey for the average gamer or person for that matter I donāt see many around here who can just shell out like $600 on a whim lol.
So this would depend in a few factors. The brightness is an added benefit from the 880 however the DT 880 is a bright headphone and some people are very sensitive to treble so it can lead to some issues called Sibilance where it can cause pain or discomfort. In comparison though the tygr has a bigger soundstage and better imaging however, it is much bassier. DT 880 has the proper signature paired with very accurate imaging and large soundstage so it just -ideally- nails the competitive sound you want spot on.
Outside of my scope by quite a margin but to my experience you stand to gain more in competitive by using an over ear headphone. Earbuds probably wouldnāt do it but IEM may however, they can be just as expensive if not more than a set of headphones. I would recommend creating a seperate post in the competitive forums inquiring about that as I am sure many others can help with potential suggestions there. Competitive tournaments now make use of IEM for gaming but this really isnāt necessary their setups are primarily for 100% isolation from the outside world.
For straight competitive I will agree however k701 has imaging issues as does k702 and k712 despite having massive soundstage. Also, their price points are very stupid and vary dramatically so you have to shop smartā¦ not quite sure what they are trying to pull with placing their headphones at over $200 more than what they get sold by others for. As far as daily drivers go however, I would pick up a Tygr or 880 over the akg series tygr is more fun and 880 is more neutral and I appreciate the brightness.
I wouldnāt say the 701 is neutral as it has recessed bass with mids and highs forward and while the mids may be neutral the highs are definitely raised. DT 880 has more neutrality but still quite the peak on it in brightness. Tygrs are the opposite where the bass is raised while the mids are ever so slightly recessed and treble just falls shortly under neutral with a slight peak in the upper highs.
If your looking for neutrality. Better off looking into probably Sennheisers or maybe Focal in some cases
I agree with you that the 880 and the tygrs are better as daily drivers. Also the tygrs are definitly the most fun out of the three. I just wanted to say that the 701 are maybe interesting for comp gaming due the sound signature (reduced bass, present mids and the pronounced higs).
For casual gaming i would go with the tygrs 110%. Iāve played Alien Isolation and Innocence: A plague tale with the tygrs on friday. It was just awesome
tygrs on this game is terrifyingly amazing. I also appreciated it on Doom Eternal very bassy game so warm headphones do wonders
Iām thinking about just keeping my tygrās for comp but if I do go with the 880 250 ohm I would only be able to afford an amp. Would you recommend the atom or a schiit version? Thanks.
I think you will be fine with your current setup honestly. Tygr will work fine as will the fulla 3. Fulla can support dt 880 as well and should be able to run itās 250 ohm variation but not 600 ohm
I think the word competitive gets used way to much in the audiophile community loosely. There are many degrees at which a competitive gamer plays at. Esports is at the highest level of competitive gaming where people do this for a living and a full time job. In those cases recommending something that will do only one task like the AKG 7xx is recommended. But if your like me in any way, who plays at a high level competitively (BF5) but does it as a hobby then you would fit into a different category.
What Im trying to say here is just because you want to hear footsteps does not mean you need to sacrifice everything else sound wise unless your doing this for a living and need that bleeding edge sound that is going to help you with your job. So for most people asking that are gamers that like FPS, I think they overthink it. Im highly competitive with my BF5 but even I would tire quickly of something that has no base or fun factor. I have both the TRGY and X2HR for gaming and they are enjoyable gaming sets with some base. I do love my TYGR dearly, I just got them this week and they have taken over the X2HR rappidly but I still use both. The highs are smooth compared to the X2ās, like when a machine gun is going off in a building, that recoil feedback sound off the walls is less harsh.
Getting back to where I was going with this, Ill put it this way. If you game at all in your own home and its not your job, get a fun headset. If your going to tournaments where the payout is paying for your food, get something with out base like an AKG 701/702. Its just an analogy but im trying to make drive home a point. When someone asks for the best headphones for competitive, its not a cut and dry answer and recommending AKGs or the 1990 over something like the TYGR does not work here. You have to have more information on what specifically the player needs.
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What? No, definitely not agree with this at all. You stand to lose your skill by using an open back as you grow accustomed to this. You are much better off sticking with a standardized closed back or IEM like they use during the tourneys so you gain skill with the appropriate equipment. Using something like a k7xx with such a massive soundstage you tend to rely more on that style of sound which could inhibit your abilities in the tournaments.
agreed, however there are neutral bassy options or those that with a simple pad swap can suddenly become extremely bassy. Even in the DT 1990ās case you can swap over to a Sheepskin or Suede and the bass increases tremendously while dialing in the brightness. Only on certain cases with headphones like the k7 series from AKG or something like Audio Technicaās AD series does the sound get very boring as the bass is very recessed. In the DT 880s case well itās not the best in my opinion for equalization but pad swaps and a tube amp work wonders for that one. I can easily say the same for shp9500 while it has a fantastic sound for competitive gamers at a amazing budget(like $50) you can get some adapters(or just cut the glue off the current adapters) and switch the pads around to get a wide variety of fun signatures including V or Warm.
Well that is because the Tygrs highs fall slightly under neutrality with an ever so slight peak in the upper treble whereas the x2hr over there peaks above neutral making it brighter than the Tygr. At the same time they both share a very large soundstage with Tygr potentially edging out in front and in terms of imaging well Tygr crushes the x2hr in that regard.
I would say very opinionated. Fun tends to say get a bassy headset which if you want the most competitive edge I would disagree with. Better to get a headphone that can swap itās signatures for versatility so you have both fun and competition provided pricepoint is good enough.
Would immediately tell any gaming who attends tournaments to stick with what they are given which is the closed back or iem setup. You stand to lose a lot if you are actually practicing. Speaking as someone who used to attend tourneys himself. These days itās an aviator headphone over some ear buds or the traditional closed back all for the sake of isolation.
again, I completely disagree as this would also depend on if music is also involved and whether the person prefers a very good headphone that has bright characteristics as the Tygr while good is a warm headphone with some dark tones to itās highs and the mids are recessed albeit slightly there are a lot of other signatures that may suit someones preference even for gaming. While there is no ābestā headphone for competitive there are those that are superior overall to othersā¦ Tygr is one of those as itās fantastic for most use case scenarios and can beat out a lot of headphones in gaming due to itās pricepoint and what itās capable of. 1990 however, shares tygrs imaging has incredibly large soundstage however is more versatile it can change to multiple different signatures with a lot more detail and clarity and it isnāt equalizer picky unlike the tygrs which distort pretty badly when you try messing with it even changing the pads on the tygr can completely throw it off while the 1990 responds in kind with a very nice sound. 1990 is a mix between the DT 880 using itās A pads and DT 990 using itās B pads whereas the B pads are the more -fun- pad as they add a lot more bass to itās sound meanwhile if you swapped in something like a Dekoni Elite Velour you get a signature thats very similar to the 177x GO swap in some sheepskins and dial in the treble a bit and you get a signature actually closer to the tygr.
I find the particularly topic rather controversial. I wrote my write-up with the most -ideal- signature in mind and explained that signature. Tygrs stand up to the 1990s however, 1990s have the versatile sound to them and more brightness which brightness can and has been proven to be able to give an edge in fps due to the brighter footsteps, gunshots, glass shatter, breathing, etc much like the upper mids if these fall on neutral or are recessed it can cause some inhibiting factors much like the bass having rumble which can blindside you from hearing the footsteps. In this regard, I find the 1990s to be a fair better headphone for the use case however, only for those who can tolerate brightness as bright headphones are not for everyone in this case if one is sensitive to treble I recommend the tygr as a very solid alternative at a cheaper budget
I see your point and I just kinda wanna add on to this. sound can only get someone so far most good players I know wear just whatever headset their sponsor gives em, knowing those people on my friend group that play games competitively in local ish tourneys their audio gear is kinda straight trash generally. I know a dude that games on a pair of earpods cause its just what hes used to . most people dont really rely on sound that much anyway I find, all they need to know generally is left and right and if someone is about to get them as if your well positioned and are relying on your teamates your rear shouldnāt be much of a concern, sound can only help your flicks and ability to place yourself in a position during a firefight. while wide soundstage and positional audio is cool that shit aint gonna matter when I gotta click heads and all I hear are gun shots around me. tournaments are also loud and your gear is standardized as shit when it comes to audio because 1 they dont want you hearing the crowd cause thats distracting and 2 they dont want you hearing the casters.as much as I love to game with my beyers man am I straight fucking just above average at games. the most difference peripheral wise anyone is gonna get is a mouse with a good weight, good shape, and good sensor comboed with a 144hz + monitor.
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I cannot agree more with how much of a difference that makes when you actually get a mouse that suits you weight wise and sensor timing wise lol. I completely agree with thisā¦ your headphones arenāt going to make you a god none of your equipment will can it give you an edge? oh sure it certainly can but in tournaments like you said we are given just trash gearā¦ its for isolation purposes not competitive edgeā¦ all equipment is generally standardized cheap shit. (yes even though I have seen steel series in some tournaments and what not I consider that cheap shitā¦ the sound quality is definitely not there lol). Itās cheaper for the venues to give us cheap shit and cut costs than sit there and give us something crazy like DT 770s ya know? lol
Then again, I use the DT 990 or (well now anyway) rather I use the dt 1990 because I love itās sound and I just generally prefer brighter headphones. I actually swapped out itās pads for Suede and use them every now and then in competitive when I want that more bassier sound out of the 1990s as the B pads just didnāt do it for me. The fun thing though about beyers is that you can even make them sound much darker people have done it. Actually pretty sure I asked you about that one rice in a private message as some guy took the 990 and made it go way below neutral on the treble through the use of modifications, cable filter, and change of pads.
Falenkor from what Iām reading in your reply it sounds to me you do not game competitively. While Iām sure you have much more knowledge when it comes to audiophilia I do game competitively every day. This is my experience with just these two headphones. I do not own the AKGās or 1990s nor have I tested them, just reviews and testimonials. Were talking strickly gaming here when we refer to competitive. When someone mentions competitive they are not asking for the best headphones for music, maybe you are just getting side tracked here or Im not understanding your point.
I love my TYGRs, I really do. Maybe my writing isnt conveying how I feel about this subject properly, I did write it a bit fast and the post was ment to be started as a reply. I Wanted to come on here though, as a competitive gamer who has over a thousand hours in BF5 and give my own thoughts and opinions on how my time as gone with the shiit stack and the two headphones that I mentioned.
Also, my opinion on the Audiophile world as it stands at this moment is there is no need to over complicate things. This is a gaming headset, this thread were in, so when Im giving my opinion it should be in that context unless I specify otherwise. These are my opinions, Im trying to give people, especially those who are competitive gamers a first hand account with the equipment I own as you seen in my picture and how its worked out for me so far.
If you have a opinion about my opinion then thats fine lolā¦But im not trying to dissect anyone personally here, its just an overall impression that sticks out as a red flag.
Ok so when I was researching competitive headphones I took my time and the main question that everyone was always asking was what is the best headphone for FPS. This is what I was trying to get at with my previous post. I feel people that are recommending all these FPS headphones are not separating the fact that there are fun gaming headphones that can be competitive and are a better suit for the majority of people then recommending studio headphones that are not made with gaming in mind. It just stuck out to me in my mind and I thought I would mention it here. Im not just on a whim coming up withsomething that I read or heard, this is how I feel about this topic as a competitive gamer.
My own opinion is that as it stands I do dearly love my TYGR headphones and I think for the majority of people asking what is the best headphone for FPS/Competitive they want something that has fun factor as well. I think headphones like the TYGR are a much better suit to most gamers asking for a headphone then studio headphones like the 1990 or AKG line. Again, this is a subjective opinion as I have not bought studio headphones to compare with what I own but it is something that stuck out in my thoughts, enough so to make an account here and post it. I do much perfer the TYGR over the X2HR for gaming though and seeing as not a lot of gamers own the TYGR yet maybee some will feel as I do. Also maybe people would recommend something like the TYGR as a gaming headset if they owned it and tested it over other headphones.
Some more pictures for anyone that wants to see.
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Thatās awfully rude for starters and quite the assumption for someone who knows nothing about me. If you must know, I game competitively frequently and as stated am an ex tournament venue participant having gamed for over 20 years amassing my competitive collection between Call of duty, Counter strike, Battlefield, Halo, Quake, Team Fortress, Arma, Planetside, Valorant which I just recently started getting into, Tarkov again recently started. Our experience and years in gaming means absolutely zero when it comes to audiophilia outside of this headphone helps me track things better so letās not put ourselves on a pedestal or jump to conclusions.
Headphone actually, however Beyerdynamic has marketed it towards gamers considering the sound signature and it works well considering that the MMX 300 is another well received product and I am sure beyer noticed that the DT 770 / 880 / and 990 respectively now have a large reputation amongst gamers especially the DT 880 amongst the competitive crowd. Headset would imply it has a microphone which it does not outside of the bundle but thatās getting rather technical. I donāt think by any means you should view the tygrs as a gaming piece of hardware instead it should be viewed as a headphone for both music and gaming considering itās studio sound itās by no means anything like the pieces of junk with the label of Gaming slapped onto them. If anything itās a marketing tactic and a smart one at that.
We do see this from time to time on here or you also get those who want to jump to the very endgame of the audiophile lineups in the multiple thousands of dollars setups thinking it will be their best bet. Put it simply there is no best and itās purely subjective going on a case by case basis. There is the most -ideal- sound however many would consider as you put it rather boring which is why a headphone that has a bit more versatility is something I would consider more preferred so you get the best of both worlds.
I am not sure where your getting we donāt separate them. It boils down to what that persons preference is and what they are looking for. I donāt believe for a second that someone only plays competitively without listening to music, watch movies, videos, or play casually at times. If someone told me they play competitively but also want to play casually or listen to music hell even playing DOOM on the side I would sooner recommend them something with more bass behind the sound as it offers more immersion and fun value for them at the same time playing competitively in the most -ideal- sense you want a particular type of sound(bright, large soundstage, as accurate imaging as possible, lacking bass rumble). Not everyone is a tournament goer and this is a common understanding however, for those who are serious bout strictly competition or want a headphone specifically for competitive gaming, while I donāt agree with buying a headphone strictly for competitives, there are options for that.
Itās common understanding that the items, āmade for gamersā āwith gamers in mindā are generally absolute garbage and not worth the money you spend on them outside of a few very rare exceptions. From the headsets, to the microphones, to even in some cases the controllers, mice, and keyboards. The companies use the logo of gaming to entice the uneducated to waste money on a half cocked product when thereās much better out there not designed for gaming and yet work superb for gaming usually at the fraction of the cost.
I mean, thatās fine itās how you feel however, a lot of people search on here or ask for help with headphones and a lot of them are very happy with their choice. Even in the case of the dt 880 despite it not being very bassy I know a lot of happy people who game to their hearts content. Quite a few here settle on cheaper options and buy a seperate headphone for the more āfunā approach. Competitive gaming isnāt all too picky as it is, your primary concerns are imaging and soundstage with bass as the third concern if you can nail all three your fine for competitive. The issue with that is that lacking bass is seen as less fun or boring however, again there are ways to fix that.
agreed subjective, however something I think you really should realize is that the Tygrs are a studio headphone. Just because it has the Gaming label doesnāt change that factor. If you take apart the Tygr 300R it is quite literally just a altered variation to the DT 990 it has foam over the driver like the amiron home what this did to the amiron was smooth and reduce the treble response as the amiron is like the brother to the T1 and beyer wanted a more home friendly alternative, different pads however the tygrs pads are the same ā990vbā pads you can get for the dt 990 which changes itās signature, to no surprise, to a slightly bassier less bright one, and I believe they reduced the dampening materials in the back some to open it up a bit more hence the larger soundstage. If you place foam on the driver, change to the same pads, and get something like a cable filter from DIYheaven you can practically replicate that sound out of the 990s.
The alternative to the Tygrs in beyers gaming lineup MMX300 may be a gaming headset sure but itās quite literally just an altered variation to the DT 770 they sound very similar except of course the mmx over there has a good microphone on it. Studio grade sound but labelled for gaming itās a smart move on beyer but the big issue is the horrible reputation gaming labelled products have just in general. Regardless, this is not gaming hardware itās still audiophile studio equipment. Gaming marketing has huge profit behind it.
You can get Fun factor out of a lot of headphones you will see recommended here for competitive use. Take the DT 880 for example this is extremely common for recommendations, especially since the damn tygrs are almost always out of stock, if someone can stand brightness and has a good budget wanting great sound and competitive gaming the DT 880 is phenomenal in competitive gaming. However, it has around neutral bass by switching the pads however to a pleather / sheepskin / suede that bass practically blows up and becomes much more fun and you can also get a Tube amp for it to give it a bit more fullness as the bass sounds kind of hollow originally. These pads can cost around like $20 so itās not that big of a deal either. The DT 880 was not designed for gaming and yet is one of the best for competitive gamers at the $200 price margin due to what itās capable of but it also depends on what that gamer is looking for in particular and just how truly serious they are in competitive gaming.
As far as headphones for competitive go Tygr is kind of a special exception. There isnāt a good many headphones that stand up to it within itās price tag that have itās imaging, soundstage, sound quality, and top that off with the fact it doesnāt actually need an amp.
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Put simply, tygr are a special caseā¦ Warm yet not boomy or muddy but just right, They are what I tend to call a sort of all rounderā¦ they arenāt so bassy as to the point of completely unusable in competitives at the same time they have that sound you can find a lot of enjoyment from with casual gaming or immersion. Fidelio X2HR is one of the others capable of this as is the Nighthawk Carbon if you want to get very technical however, the carbon and fidelios are much bassier despite the carbons having exceptional soundstage and imaging.
Shp9500 upon pad swapping can transform from that rather boring plain jane neutral bass with some brightness to practically a damn bass cannon if you put some dekoni sheepskins on it at the same time if you put something like a suede on it, it can become rather warm and more fun to listen to much more engaging so to speak.
There are alternatives of course that are fantastic for competitive and others that are just well roundedā¦ a fantastic example of a headphone we recommend for the more āwell roundedā or jack of all trades so to speak would be something like a 58x jubilee which is more neutral and tends to fit just about anywhere
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I wasnt trying to be rude It just seemed that way to me as you did not mention anything specifically about gaming. Im glad someone here responds to my message and gives me info on my foray into audiophilia. I suppose when someone disagrees with something Im thinking I want to know why, more indepth.
Your assumption that Im being rude though perplexes me. I guess the way you replied to my post was one of overly assertiveness and less subjective. I realize I am new to audiophilia but the harshness of your retorts, heh, I mean I realize you have a strong opinion but I guess I was hoping for something more accommodating to someone starting out.
I just want to make it clear that these are my own opinions of what I have come across so far and are not in any way a representation of fact. Iām not influenced in any way by any company or service (financial gain). These opinions are solely my own.
Iām glad I can learn and get more incite with the direction im taking with my setup and what I have used so far. It gives people a good idea of where the TYGR headphones stand. I am a complete noob to audio.
I do apologize it just appeared rude and rather jumping to a rather extreme conclusion. I play competitive gaming all the time while I donāt do tourneys anymore good way to vent my frustration a bit from the day to day by playing lol. Suppose I could have worded things a little better and I do feel I may have came off a bit aggressive.
I think itās understandable and in a way I do agree with you on a lot but at the same time other areas I disagree with a bit. I do think personally, that one stands to gain more from having that mindset of just buy a more fun sounding headphone for gaming even in competitive as it adds more to the immersion and a sense of fun out of the game. In the sake of Tygr vs 880 I would preferably tell someone the tygr as I find it better for more use case scenarios and it does have the more fun sound meanwhile the 880 is bright revealing and can sound rather hollow in itās bass granted it does have the bigger edge for the ideal competitive sense. At the same time, like stated in tournaments your given just junk closed backs so itās generally a better idea just to stick with junky closed backs if your practicing for tournaments.
Your not the only one new to audio, I am as well. I think it takes quite a few years before you really stop being such a noob in audio as with this hobby your always figuring something new or learning something. Curiosity is killer here drains the wallet dry.
To someone starting out just fresh? I see you have the shp9500 and tygrs. Recommend you look into some other signatures to broaden up your sound tastes a bit more. Shp9500 is bright and tygrs are warm. Try finding a good Neutrality headphone like a Sennheiser, maybe a darker headphone like a Nighthawk Carbon, or a V signature like m40x or dt 990. They work well in gaming and offer their own characteristics. Never know you may find one you enjoy even more than the Tygrs, granted this headphone definitely is a hard one to be beat
sorry, editā¦
Thanks for the feedback.
I have the X2HR and TYGR. How would you compare the X2HR with the Nighthawk Carbon?