@Falenkor @RiceGuru https://www.androidauthority.com/beyerdynamic-ifa-2018-900314/#:~:text=Beyerdynamic%20has%20launched%20its%20new,discussed%20its%20new%20brand%20direction.
And yep it seems the warmer sound signature is the new direction of the company.
ah that makes sense then. Designed for consumer use with a more pleasant laid back signature that can appeal to more people since bright is a hit or miss. Guess I will have to keep an eye on beyer.
They really should stick with making bothā¦ If they can manage a great sounding warm headphone line then awesome it gives people amazing quality but appeals to more people. Though people like me really appreciate brighter headphones so I prefer having a mixture. I appreciated the Lagoon so much I have my own copy as well as the tygr. I suppose if this is there direction I may indeed need to go and grab the T1 3rd generation as I would assume that is the highest extent to this new direction currently
Definitely gotta keep my T1.2 or 1990 in house though.
Hi,
I literally scrolled through everything and read the entire thread the whole afternoon.
I am wondering if it would be worth the change from Steelseries Arctis Pro + game DAC to a pair of TYGR 300?
Thanks for anybody who has the experience and can share with me!
I play overwatch albeit not professionally but I do pretty well in it. I also intend to use it for my daily entertainment like movies and such. I also have an electric fan to cool me down as the weather in my country is a little warm so I wonder if having an open back pair of headphones will become too annoying.
Thanks in advance!
Welcome to Hifiguides,
Thatās an awful lot of reading lol.
Yes but it will also depend on a few factors. 1, if itās for consoles or a weak motherboard you could run into a lacking power issue(or rather the sound will be very quiet and you will need some form of cheap amp). 2. Tygrs are an open back headphone and breath quite well, you can hear things outside the headphone if the sound is relatively quiet. If you live in a loud area isolation may be more important and should be taken into consideration. 3. Tygrs do not have a microphone this makes them deceptively more expenisve. The bundle itself ranges from $300 - $400 which comes with a condensor microphone however no boom arm and condensors are not the best for gaming as they pick up a lot of background noise other mic would be a modmic which will run you probably around $80. Steel series are not bad especially the one you have itās one of the best in class āgaming headsetsā but in terms of sound quality, soundstage, imaging, comfort, and build quality the Tygr is outright better.
They isolate decently well for an open back so it shouldnāt be that big of a deal breaker if anything it will keep you cooler while using it since the headphone is very light and airy so it breaths a hell of a lot better than your steel series
I have a Steelseries 7 which I now use solely for online meetings and for chatting with friends/family. The wireless capability is so useful. I donāt know how the Pro compares, but the TYGR beats the 7 in all aspects as mentioned by Falenkor.
Is the TYGR worth purchasing for gaming? Maybe. Depends what you want. TYGR has bass and warmth, so itās more of a fun headphone. Itās got some treble but not as much (for a Beyer). If your main aim is to pick out footsteps and hear details, I would steer you towards DT880s (especially the black special edition I am using) or DT990s. If your main aim is to chill and enjoy, the TYGR will do that better. Thatās not to say the TYGR sucks for competitive - it is great due to amazing imaging. But I think some other Beyers do it better due to having more elevated highs. Just IMO though, and YMMV depending on what you look for in a competitive gaming headphone.
If youāre going to be watching movies and listening to music, I would wholeheartedly recommend the TYGR. It is my go to for films (after some EQ to bring out vocals and to reduce some sibilance that I perceive in females saying āsā words) and a great headphone for music. Bassy and warm but not overly so, and still having refined sound.
well, granted tygr is fussy for equalizers thoughā¦ so steel series still has that one upā¦ outside thatā¦ meh gaming headset. Agreed though for steel series wireless being nice for meetings and the like.
eh, I wouldnāt say the black edition 880. Bass may sound better but it sure donāt help in competitive placements lol and 990 is so intensely sharp you definitely want that at 600 ohm with an amp to back it up. They each have their placeā¦ Tygr is the more casual but still good in competitiveā¦ 880 is better for competitive and decent for casualā¦ 990 is very good in competitive somewhat okay in casual and a nightmare for movies and the like lol.
agreed
Given you have way more experience with competitive gaming, Iām sure you know more than me. I have little experience with many kinds of āgood competitive gaming headphonesā, so I was making direct comparisons between just the TYGR and DT880 black as it is the only DT880 I know. If I see DT880 600ohm for cheap, I do plan to jump on it.
Yes I definitely agree with this!
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First of all thanks so much for your responses and reviews on top.
Yeah Iāve been trying to do research for some time and just wanted to find out answers in case somebody asked before.
Somehow I find that nobody has ever compared to the Arctis Pro + game DAC so itās always difficult for me to gauge responses as my experience in headphones is severely lacking (I came from a Razer Kraken) and my current headset is the best Iāve ever had. Iām not sure if you would be able to enlighten me on the differences if it doesnāt take too much of your time?
I think Iām ultimately looking for a fun headphone. I actually love listening to music in my current headset this is definitely the most details Iāve been able to pick up compared to my other listening devices. If the TYGR is better than this then wow.
In my current headset I think I have reasonable imaging. I am able to pick up where people are with perhaps 80% accuracy (although I always felt that if only it could be better i would be glad). I wonder how much better the TYGR is?
I surmise that youāre suggesting I get the TYGR standalone and then buy a mod mic?
I guess I got to try getting one thatās standalone but because Iām not in the US or UK I wonder if it will be difficult in my country.
Sorry if I somehow steered the comparison too much towards the Arctis Pro I donāt really have other references.
Thanks so much though!
Thanks so much for your responses!
I really appreciate the sharing of opinions, including literally everybody that shared their views throughout the thread.
I think that even though I like competitive the games Iām ultimately a casual at heart as i have a full time job and only use competitive games to vent the competitive side of myself and also I enjoy the process of improving myself.
Hence I think Iāll lean slightly more to the TYGR for now based on what Iāve gathered.
Iāll try to put an order in (if itās even possible as a standalone purchase). Hopefully it is.
Even if it doesnāt work out, thanks for sharing, I think I might have accidentally stepped into this unknown world of audiophile equipment.
Thanks for taking your time!
Only if you know you donāt have a issue with treble man. There is still quite the glare despite that neutrality of the 880. Normally I would tell someone to find a Subtle V signature or very smooth bright headphone if they have some sensitivities and still want a brighter signatureā¦ 880 can be quite peaky and it will definitely show
knowledgeable yes, all knowing? definitely not lol. Sound of course is very subjective and based on preference but competitive always holds true to whatās more ideal. Granted the most ideal competitive sound signature is boring as hell and even I have to admit I use more bass than needed as otherwise it just doesnāt sound right for me.
No problem, if you have questions feel free to ask. This forum is loaded with people with a lot of helpful information. I am one of those who just happens to have a lot of experience with this area of sound in gaming.
Not at all, the issue is probably due to the fact that the arctis pro can change itās sound so categorizing it particularly can be found rather ā¦ difficult. The arctis pro your using they tried to make it as neutral as possible in itās natural state so the equalizer has quite the effect on it. The upper bass is ever so slightly increased, low - mid vocals are slightly under neutral, and due to them wanting a more competitive headphone naturally they raised the upper mids and some of the treble however the lower treble dips pretty hard under neutral. If anything the headphone is ever so subtly bright until you make use of the equalizerā¦ This headphone at itās core is very versatile which is why it makes a good gaming headsetā¦ however, itās bested by the cheaper MH752 which also has an equalizer and has a spot on frequency for competitive gaming with better imaging and soundstage.
In comparison the Tygr have more bass, slightly recessed vocals, and slightly recessed treble. This is a warm headphone by itās signature and designed for casual players in mind. However, despite the casual sound itās imaging is laser accurate. Your imaging is your ability to place sounds in game without good imaging your competitive sound is going to suffer drastically this is your #1 most important quality you need the fact that itās this accurate puts it up on a pedestal so to speak. The soundstage(this is how far away you can place your sounds) is also very large and bigger than the other beyers of the lower tier allowing for very far placements this also goes well in movies as it gives you that more ācinemaā like feel to itās sound or as some will explain it āspeaker - like presentationā. The steel series is decent across the board it doesnāt particularly excel in anything other than versatility, its a bit weighty, the cable is unwieldy, the imaging is decent but nothing to write home about, and the soundstage is rather narrow if not generally average of a closed back headset. Itās main selling point is it looks good, it has great versatility, and comes with a surprisingly good mic with great noise cancellations.
The ability to pick out the better details is due to the raised treble on the steel series. The tygr have a harder time of that but still are quite a bit better especially if paired to a proper dedicated amp and dac setup(amps and dacs regardless of the headphone will help improve your sound quality and even in some cases fix issues you had previously with that headphone such as maybe the headphone was too bright or maybe it didnāt have enough punch in the bass).
I would make sure the tygr has return policies, just incase but I havenāt really heard anybody hating the tygrs less your ears are massive lol, but better safe than sorry. Warm headphones arenāt for everyone and for all we know you may appreciate brighter headphones like me or dark headphones like some of the others here. Thereās a big variety of sound signatures but everyones preferences are definitely different. Personally, I love warm or dark headphones for movies and casual listeningā¦ they make everything so much more rich and engaging while staying immersiveā¦ however the big issue of some warm headphones is they can be too bassy and bleed into the vocalsā¦ tygr thankfully does not have that issue if any issue with the sound it will be that the vocals are pushed back and the treble is slightly under neutral giving it a bit of a darker sound. (to explain a bit warm means bass increased while vocals and treble are relatively neutral. Dark means bass and mids are netural but the treble is under neutral by a good margin. Bright the treble is increased usually by quite a large margin. You of course have others like V signature which is both bass and treble increased with vocals recessed, Harman neutral which usually I just see that as a subtle V signature, there are some others but thats a good gist of it.)
Considering your going from a narrow soundstage and average imaging closed back to a fully open back very large soundstage and laser imaging? Massive difference. The placements are also betterā¦ steel series are better for left to right soundsā¦ they donāt particularly have that front, back, and diagonal sound to their soundstage while Tygr does which gives you a more 3D sound around your head depending on what your listening to and yes this can also place things that sound above you or below you.
Do keep in mind something about certain headphones, especially with beyerdynamic headphones, they tend to love picking out bad quality songs. You may not have noticed errors in some songs you listen to such as on youtubeā¦ if you switch to a good pair of headphones you will likely hear compression, distortion, off sounding instruments, etc this isnāt an issue with your headphone but a bad recording so best to get a better quality track going if you can find one. Though in games this shouldnāt really be an issue.
Normally, yes that would be my recommendation. USB modmic in particular as UNI runs a bit hot and sensitive. FOX mic is alright but it struggles if you donāt have a sound proof room. Plus the fact they want $200 for it is laughable to me as they are asking for more money than a HyperX QuadCast or Blue Yeti both of which are cheaper and better in terms of sound clarity. If you really want a dedicated streamer mic setup consider later on getting an XLR audio interface(you can actually use an interface as your dac as well in your dedicated amp and dac setup if you prefer) and pick up a Dynamic Mic these are the mics you see used in live concerts and are good for keeping out the keyboard strokes and other sounds such as fans and radiators and the like.
Tygr is only obtainable on itās own through a 3rd party selling it or directly from Beyerdynamic. To my knowledge no store carries just the tygr itās always bundled with the fox mic. You can get the fox mic if you prefer and try it for yourself but I feel it necessary to forewarn youā¦ at the very least just make good use of the Push to talk feature and you should be alright.
Itās quite alright to ask for more information. I know a huge variety of gaming headsets from experience, and of course them breaking as gaming headsets are made cheap.
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Word of advice if you plan to get more into the world of audio. I learned this pretty quick but I have a very high payout job others learn the hard way and take a hit to the wallet.
Take things slow in your setups. Donāt jump the gun and go crazy in price pointsā¦ shop smart because depreciation hits hard especially for the headphones. Price does not dictate how good the product is in this hobby. In some cases people have considered their DT 880($200 maximum) is actually more preferred and better for them than the DT 1990($600+ headphone). It goes completely on your preference and there are some cases where people canāt hear the differences in equipment, cables, and headphones which is fine. Itās a journey not a race. Tygr is a fantastic starting headphone for a gamer, hell you may grab the tygr and never look back
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@MyKnuts As for the old razer kraken. That one is a V signature albeit a weird one and sounds pretty bad in my opinion. The reason for this is while itās a v signature the lower bass and itās sub bass is actually recessed while the mid bass is closer to neutral and upper bass is raised quite high and can be perceived as muddy as it bleeds into the vocals which can screw up a lot of things even in games. The low mids are raised bit the sound dips hard from there until you get to the mid treble which is where it peaks to being a bit bright. Honestly, the signature is a bit of a disaster if you ask me itās all over the place and one of the worst headsets in the more expensive brackets. Comfort lacking, build quality cheap thin plastic, pads unchangeable without a special plastic adapter so they are picky, respond poor to equalization, soundstage is average, imaging is rather poor. While yes its mids and treble are raised itās too bassy and rumbling to be all that great in competitive that plus the bad imagingā¦ itās better for general casual use if anything but I would never recommend it even for $80 considering the SHP9500 over there exists and if one needed a Closed back hell I would sooner point you towards the Takstar pro 82 as itās more flexible and just better.
Gonna agree with @Falenkor on his comments about this. Iāve used the Arctis Pro wireless and Arctis 7 wireless. Enjoyed both, but they donāt hold up against some of the better audiophile āgamingā recommendations. Theyāre versatile, and yeah, the wireless is convenient. But the TYGR laps it in imaging and soundstage. Part of this is the fact that itās open back and the Arctis is closed. If you havenāt tried an open back pair before, it was a game-changer for me. Granted, I donāt have to worry about sound leak or anything. If the TYGR feels like too much of an investment, Iād try to find a good used open back to see what you think. Youāll be able to use the Arctis game DAC with whatever you find if itās something youāre keeping. Some recommendations are the Philips SHP9500 and the other Beyers mentioned like the DT880 and DT990. Yes, these all have fairly different signatures, so make note of that. My recommendation is to simply try open back headphones first before you try to identify the best headphone for you because some people donāt like the experience. If thatās not something youāre interested in, then I agree with the others who have said that the TYGRs are a really good balance for competitive and fun all-rounder headphone.
Need around $150 maximum due to modifications(though this price includes a mic) Good starter headphone for entry level sound experimentation.
Yeah, but he doesnāt have an amp so he wouldnāt be able to power the 600 ohms which are the variation to these that sound their best. Setup for a DT series 600 ohm headphone for a gamer is more expensive than the Tygr as the Tygr doesnāt technically need an amplifier.
Agreed though he can benefit from trying some open back headphones. Hell Ideally I would just say go to an audio store or something at that pointā¦
well technically, yeah, however in beyers case they just generally have that large soundstage even in their closed backsā¦ 770s have a shockingly large stage despite being closed
All good points. Wasnāt trying to detail all of that since it was more a general recommendation for trying an open back pair, but I agree. Where I live, thereās no audio store to try something like that out, so for me, itād just be something I order on Amazon with the intention of returning. Thus why I wouldnāt consider the SHP9500 mods, for example. Same re: 600ohm Beyers. And who knows, @MyKnuts might already know what open back cans are like. It was just a general recommendation on my part if he didnāt have experience with them since thereās a significant difference between the Arctis and going open back. Iād still recommend the TYGRs over all of the above for what heās looking for, but if he were to go for a different Beyer or the SHP9500, then yes, I would follow Falkenkorās recommendations.
I think its appropriate in this circumstance to give my thoughts on my new Audioquest Nighthawk headphone compared to the TYGR as well as the X2HR. I got probably one of the last NightHawks that came straight from the factory brand new from an tiny warehouse audio outlet in Indiana. I just came across it after are discussions here and pulled the trigger without thinking twice about it. I will say I think these are worth the 700$ that they were originally sold for, they are definitely worth what I paid for them. If I could buy second pair brand new as a spare I would they are that good but that chances of finding a new pair are going to be hard as they are discontinued. Its a shame Audioquest could not keep making these. They are absolutely stunning to look at, they are so my taste as far as aesthetics. Dark, sleek and unique. When you put them on your head it feels like your putting on a real audiophile headset. Very comfortable, like your not even wearing something on your head.
All that is well and good but I would be very disapointed if that is where the positives ended. I have to say, I can not pry these off my head, I have not once grabbed for the TYGR or X2. I was blown away by how they game, the imaging is incredible as far as locating enemys in highly competitive large scale battles. I would classify these as a more fun experience for compeitive then the TYGRs but its hard to explain. In some areas the Nighthawks exceed the TYGRs for competitive play and in some areas the TYGR over the Nighthawks. For me, its going to be tough playing with any other headphones ever again after using the Nighthawks. The rumble, bass, crystal highs they all play a symphony to the ears in FPS gaming, specifically Battlefield 5.
I could go on about how much I love these headphones. I will say the TYGR headphones, for competitive, are probably a better suit for FPS gaming. The Nighthawks bring so much to the table though that there are times, rarely, but it happens a few times per match, in like 20-30 minute matches where the imaging and locateability of enemys is reduced compared to the TYGR. The TYGR is a fantastic headphone and Im glad to have it, its probably one of the best competitive headphones on the market.
I do want to add just a bit about the Nighthawks and music. To me personally, the nighthawks trounce all over the TYGR and X2HR headphones musically, for the type of music I listen to which is 100% electronic Techno EDM. The entire song, Im at a loss for words how good some of the songs I listen to sound compared to my other two headphones. I cant really describe in words, but for someone that has never listened to a pair of audiophile grade headphones this has to be a step in that direction. Im just not sure there are many headphones with the bass and dynamics. The open back of them just lets the sound explode with detail. So yea, heh, I definitely dont regret my impulse purchase.
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I wouldnāt particularly go this far for this headphone honestly as in this range your against Audeze which I think has an edge. Granted I own the nighthawk carbon which I bought for $250 and definitely feel itās worth it. It stays in my collection for a very good reason. I guess you see that for yourself itās definitely special.
Itās a shame they stopped making them but the pricepoint starting out was a bit ridiculous all considering. Also the cable is a bit of an issue in my opinion. The other issue is that itās pads are very particular which makes it a bit of a toss up in my opinion. You canāt just go buy these pads either nobody really sells them and if they do they want $80+ for them. Your left with 1 alternative once those pads finally kick the bucket and thatās buy some replacements that may alter your sound signature and pop some holes in the pad so it stays in place. Quite unfortunate, though thankfully over in the thread for these people have found some suedes that can respectively do well by this headphone. As for finding a spare, keep your eyes peeled they do show upā¦ its always within the $200 - $300 range.
I love the comfort but for me personally I felt the pads were a bit to small for me personally though I have a large head and larger earsā¦ so itās definitely very noticeable that I am wearing it.
Well, yeah this is because it has similar characteristics to the Tygr in that the imaging is extremely accurate and the soundstage is large despite the nighthawks being a Semi Open back and not fully open.
Dark headphones can add rich and lush tones to the sound but nighthawk also have a more fullfilling bass and mid frequency than tygrs do since tygrs have their mids and treble slightly recessed. Good difference between a Dark headphone with warm characteristics like the nighthawk vs just a straight warm headphone like the Tygr. Seems you may have found your preferred signature.
Well, the Tygr is more suited for competitive as Dark headphones add immersion sure itās definitel a fun and engaging deep sound but competitive games ideally are better for brighter headphones so that better treble is noticeable in fpsā¦plus nighthawks are bassier with more rumble so tygr can place things easier. However, I will not say the nighthawks donāt make games sound absolutely amazing. Nighthawks are one of the headphones I use for my Movies and itās quite lovely.
Itās potentially one of the best headphones(in its price bracket) for the casual consumer who still plays competitive, thereās a reason when someone says they are casual Tygr is typically on my highest recommendations. Nighthawks would be up there but they are so hard to obtain.
Yeah, definitely sounds like you found your ideal signature already which is good but donāt forget to give the other signatures a shot if you get a chanceā¦ Darker headphones are quite nice but they tend to be more expensive(cause audeze isnāt cheap). As far as Dark headphones go though? Nighthawk Carbon are incredibly amazing especially for the price.
I had a typo there sorry, I was referring to the Nighthawks when I was saying how much they bring to the table. I was trying to explain what you already did about how the Nighthawks are more fullfilling in the bass and mids.