Yeah, I kinda figured as much
Ya Im utterly blown away by some of these darker electronic songs, I really cant see how they could sound much better then this.
Quite a big difference between that and the gaming headsets. Nighthawk Carbon I would generally recommend as a potential upgrade if one wanted a darker sounding headphone after trying the Tygrs. Seeing how they are obtainable in close to the same price point it makes sense.
Dark headphone entry would probably be like the MDR7506 followed by the Nighthawks(or nightowl if you need isolation but man is nightowl bassy as hell) and following that is just Audezeās house sound which is usually Dark rich and bassy
Been like this for a long time now. People have had success by contacting beyer for an order by email.
When I got my pair a few months back I just got them off the site granted I had to wait a bit of time but they eventually were in stock.
Thanks to Falenkor, jharismaiden, tglodjo for your respective inputs!
I never experienced an open back pair of headphones before so I guess it will be wholly different. I wonder how much of that ārumbleā with the bass Iāll lose?
I emailed Beyerdynamic and they told me that basically I can only go down to the distributors in my country (which seem to only have that Team Tygr bundle).
I was wondering if the FOX mic is really that bad? I donāt usually use mics anyway except when I am on discord with my friends or if I need voice chat in game but because I kind of have an electric fan beside me I wonder if it will be annoying to people who hear me?
Actually I think Iām ok shelling out the money to get the Team TYGR given that I would probably need a mic anyway but I was wondering if the FOX is not worth it, what are the good alternatives that I should consider instead? I have no amps at this point in time but honestly if it does make a difference why not? Although the appeal of the TYGR to me was that it was kind of a āone solution to solve many issuesā deal based on the feedback from everybody.
I think if this does become a hobby I will take it slow. Even though I have a full time job I personally think I am not likely to rush into this hobby headfirst without any guidance.
Thanks again to everybody for sharing!
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Warm headphone so not a whole lot honestly. Closed are nice for bass though and will always generally be bassier of an option though you lose soundstage.
10/10 customer service right thereā¦ go to the store and buy it. Seems their service has gone a bit downhill since the virus struck.
Is it really that bad? Yes, I own it, itās quite terrible. Will it pick up that fan next to you? Oh, most definitely and will probably annoy people alongside it due to sounding like a wind tunnel. The mic is just downright dreadful, it makes your voice sound much deeper than it is and lacks clarity and accurate reproduction of vocals by a very large margin. I have talked to others and they have told me I sound actually better using a gaming headset mic than I do on the FOX microphone which is just ridiculous considering the asking price for the FOX in some of the ābundlesā is $400 meanwhile by itself it ranges around $130 - $180 and even that price is ridiculous considering it contends with the HyperX Quadcast and Blue Yeti microphones which are much better. By no means do I support that microphone and highly recommend everyone to skip that if at all possible.
Modmic, Other condensor mics in its price bracket, Dynamic mics + Audio Interface(best sound but most expensive). I suppose in this case it really boils down to how important you think your voice in during communicationsā¦ honestly, itās not a huge deal breaker I just think personally the sound is pretty terrible. I think it will depend on the price of the bundle as well if you can get it cheap enoughā¦ if its $300 or less(US currency wise) than your fineā¦ anymore than that and in my opinion your pushing it as FOX just really isnāt worth it.
Personally, if your going to grab tygr hold off for a bit on the amp, more so if you get the bundle. That microphone has a preamplifier built into it which lets you plug the Tygr into it for ample power but tygr also is very low power requirements so itās likely you wonāt even need an amp for itā¦ it can just help it sound better and have more headroom for volume.
A dedicated unit will of course help your sound quality however they can be pricey. Best not to go dirt cheap but go approperiate entry level for your setup of an amp and dac. Suggest saving around $100 - $200($200 range being the ideal for a dedicated setup).
Well thatās the problem and it isnāt the fault of our budget or anything to do with us as the Consumerā¦ The problem here lies with Beyerdynamic and their selling tactics. Itās ridiculous to be forced into a Bundle with an awful microphone product yet the headphone itself is beyond incredible. The headphone is hard to obtain just in general due to this and makes the entry point much more costly than it needs to be. Granted, again if you can get it for the right price(around the same price as I wanna say a modmic wireless or USB) than I say youād still be alright. Plus not like you canāt sell off the FOX and get something else anyway.
The initial entry into a full setup is expensive. You need a dedicated amp($100 entry level), dedicated Dac($100 entry level), microphone(range varies drastically best results come around the $80 for modmic or if a dedicated microphone setup your looking at around $150-$200 for best results), RCA cables for the amp and dac connection, and the headphone itself($200 in this case but can cost more down the line depending on your headphone choice).
The good thing is that the amp, dac, cables, and microphone are more of a investment towards a long term use. Provided your using a good setup you really donāt -need- to upgrade less your chasing better audiophile grade sound and even than the price skyrockets so not particularly necessary. Only the headphone prices exist as different signatures are a thing.
I only recommend someone to upgrade their audio equipment when they get out of the lower price bracket headphones and have accumulated more than 3 headphones for keeping in their collection. You stand to gain quite a bit of sound quality from higher equipmentā¦ the problem is the price pointā¦ Going from a $200 dac to the next step up that offers a significant sound change your jumping to $600 range at that point and the same goes for the amp with it jumping right around $500+.
Headphones on the other hand are all over the place price wise and a lot of the cheaper ones you can stick with just fine. Granted my own setup is very expensive but it was a choice I made after a lot of trial and error and testing things outā¦ I own multiple $500+ headphones and a $500+ amp and dac. It becomes a bit of a choice later on whether you see further upgrades and headphones worth it down the line.
Yeah, they do appear but itās rare. I had to wait a month and a half after ordering my first copy to get one. After that it stayed saying out of stock for what seemed like an eternity there. They are just having trouble keeping everything in stock in general. I noticed DT 880 600 ohm keeps going out of stock everywhere as well. Once this virus dies down or whenever beyer finally starts kicking out more product this shouldnāt be an issueā¦
Btw, just a recommendation for later, only if you can, find a way to try an audeze LCD-2(probably classic as otherwise it costs a arm and a leg) which you can find sometimes right around $500. It would be a potential step up from the nighthawk of yours.
Planar with the same signature in mind but since itās a planar the bass has more speed and slam to it.
Youāre welcome! I enjoy talking about headphones, speakers etc and am glad if I was helpful!
That is really unfortunate @MyKnuts. In Europe, you can order just the headphones for about 140 euros. B-stock is 120 euros (which is what I ended up getting). The annoying part is Beyer charges 16 euros for shipping outside of Germany (compared to Sennheiser which doesnāt charge shipping if youāre in Europe). Iām in the UK so I didnāt have to wait long at all for it to arrive. Hopefully you can find a good deal somewhere (maybe mint used condition) so you donāt need to buy a bundle you donāt want.
Man, I wish I had those prices and access to B-Stock. Tygr is $200 here or right around 170 euros not including the shipping fees. Would sure be nice if beyer actually had a store around here.
I think Iām actually fine as long as Iām comprehensible by the random strangers that I game with. However if the micās pick up of the fan is really so sensitive then Iād be a bit apprehensive. I live in a warm climate all year round so thereās almost no way I game without a fan.
Is the Team Tygr bundle worth the price just solely for the headphones? If not, what should I get instead? I guess Iāll need an entire set in such an instance. Would you have any alternative recommendations?
Thanks for being such a great help to everybody even though this thread is like quite a few months old!
Yeah I know right sigh. I am sorry if I appear like Iām being very indecisive but this seems like a very expensive first step into higher grade sound (expensive for someone ignorant of this world at the least I guess).
What would be a good dac/amp to pair with the TYGRs?
If you can get the item with an appropriate return policy along with it I think it would be worth a shot actually testing for yourself. Tygrās bundle includes the microphone as well as the amplifier inside the microphone so itās an all in one package itās just expensive. At the very least you can see what the signature sounds like and go from there.
This is where things get a bit tricky. Yes and no. As a singular purchase though at $200? Most definitely. My only concern in this case is the microphone itself though you may be able to swing it by adjusting your settings or using push to talk well that or making sure the fan isnāt blaring against your face lol. Of course the other purchase you will need a boom arm to attach that mic too as the little stand it comes with is kind of bad.
Let me thinkā¦ Alternatives in that price rangeā¦ Well theres the x2hr from philips thatās about as demandingā¦ it isnāt as -great- but its another warm headphone though instead of $200 you can find them for like $80 - $100. SHP9500 is great but requires some extensive alternative purchases and modifications and a small amp potentially though this will run from $150 - $200 this includes everything plus its microphone shp9500 is a Bright headphone however after modifications it can run V signature, Bright, as well as Warm depending on the pads you put on it. K712(or k7xx as it has more bass) are also good warm headphones and can alter their sound as well through a pad swap these have some very stupid pricepoints but can actualy be found around $100 - $150 you mainly just need an adapter for this one made by akg and pick up a V moda Boom Pro microphone for it.
Others will probably need a pretty strong amplifier which is going to definitely increase your price. Honestly, what I would do is just test the Tygr bundle. If the microphone is the one that just isnāt working outā¦ just sell it in mint condition and make most of the money itās worth back and put that towards a mic and an amp/dac. You should at least be able to get $150 out of the FOX in mint conditioning so you can just use that to pick up a cheapo amp/dac like FIIO E10K + Modmic USB which will total right around $150 thats a combo amp/dac + a microphone
Depends on the signature you prefer out of it. Some amps can make it sound darker, others warmer, and others properly neutral outside of the extra warm bass. To my experience warm amps can be a bit much for it as they can make the bass bleed a little so something of a more neutral variety or even something with a touch of sharpness to it goes quite well.
You mention dac/amp so I assume you mean combos? This will definitely depend on whether you need it for consoles as consoles require an optical port on the back side of the Dac(or combo unit) to be connected to one another. In this regard Soundblaster G6 or X3. If just a regular dac/amp combo than Aune X1S for sharper(only if you can find it under $200), Schiit Fulla for a bit more neutral and coloration, and Ifi zen dac if you donāt care and just want more bass(it even has a bass button good for those who will end up later on getting a slightly more boring headphone and want to implement some more fun). Anything priced over $200 you probably better off with dedicated units and not a combo
I bought an rarely used nighthawk carbon for 160 euros. It will arrive on monday and after your thoughts i am even more excited to check them out, because i also have the tygr and the X2. So same setup here
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Id like to add that when I first got my TYGR while I did like the sonic properties of the headphone it was severly lacking that extra 15 decibels that I so desired in my gaming experience. I was almost going to return it then I remembered my Shiit Heresy Amp has the high gain, flipped that on and I got the extra volume that I so desired and the headphone completely changed for me from wanting to return it to liking it much more then my X2HR. Just thought I would give you my personally first hand account of my happenings with the TYGR.
I would say for me personally, not having an amp with this headphone is a no go. If you have ever felt like your not getting enough out of your headphone and you desire more volume to bring out the fullness and clarity, its exactly how I felt about the TYGR until as I mentioned I used the High gain and its absolutely perfect now.
Sounds about right, amps do make quite the difference after all. just as long as people are more aware that different amps will lead to different sounds in the headphones this goes from imaging, to spatial recreation, soundstage, bass and itās impact, sharper or rolled off treble, better vocality, etc. That amp can make quite a big difference especially when you get to the higher tier equipment it makes a big difference. My Liquid Platinum is worlds apart from my Liquid spark
Depends, some motherboards can even drive higher than 250 ohm headphones. Granted in any case for headphones I just say get an ampā¦ it helps, it sounds better, you donāt have to worry about your sound not being properly powered so peace of mind, access to other headphones of a much higher power requirement. In Tygrs case it quite literally does not need an amp except in some casesā¦ but thats why the Microphone in the bundle has a smaller preamplifier in it to solve that issue.
Like anytime I hear someone have issues with a headphone as simple as just an x2hrā¦ are you using onboard audio? yes? get an amp. I donāt even think itās really an argumentā¦ it solves most of the issues
So whats the next step as far as headphones for gaming after the Nighthawk? Something like an LCD-X or LCD-2? What do you think of the Audeze LCD-GX?
I want to prepare for a step up in my second amp/dac stack as well., mostly for music. I have been eyeing the RME ADI2DAC but what amp to pair it with? In the reviews its stated the that the ADI2DAC is neutral and not as pleasant as some dacs for listening but if its paired with an amp does not most of the sonic properties of sound come from the amp? I do like the Schiit products, like an Asgard with the multibit dac added to it.
What would be the reason to get a seperate amp/dac from Schiit like the Magnius/Modius stack compared to just getting something like an Asguard/Jotunheim with a DAC module added into it? Thanks for the help.
At that price why would anybody be concerned with a gaming headsetā¦ It sounds alright, but I would never recommend it for gaming purposesā¦ I will definitely sooner say buy an lcd-x or lcd-2 before I recommended the GX
LCD-2 yeah. LCD-X is a bit of a different tuning. For gaming though, not necessary to upgrade to audeze in this regardā¦ nighthawk is plenty good enough. You only stand to gain better sound for your music and other casual interestsā¦ Once you pass the $500 margin you really donāt get much in return for gaming purposes only music and other enjoyment.
I assume you mean the one thatās priced at $1,150. There is no need to jump this ridiculously high. Itās a journey not a race and you stand to shoot yourself in the foot jumping that quickly. Whatās your current amp/dac? Take it in steps based on price brackets ā¦ entrys are up to $200 maxā¦ after that you have to go to the $400 - $600 margin apiece for both amp and dacā¦ then it becomes the $1000+ margin however for gaming the $1000 is most definitely not needed. As for the rme, itās very neutral and made some of my headphones sound more mid centric which was oddā¦ I didnāt like the way it sounded in my setups so i never bothered with itā¦ they have it for audio testing purposes at the audio store I frequent which is how I have experience with it.
The sonic properties do mostly come from the amp yes but once you reach past the $400 margin they offer quite a bit of difference in sound. At that point depending on the person even the different cables can change the sound or different power supplies. Things become much more expensive and customizable. The biggest differences would go headphone > amp =/= pad swap > dac > cable swap =/= power supply.
I hear the multibit is okay but I donāt have experience with itā¦ it costs $200 to implement that Dac in particular and you have other units you can buy in that margin that may be just as good if not potentially better.
Different sound characteristics, stack aesthetic. Magnius is much more clinical and neutral like the heresy it has a sharp edge to it and can be compared to something like the THX amps, meanwhile asgard is more colored can roll off treble and has some warm tones to it. Others can definitely elaborate more into that than I can.
I wouldnt recommend the dac modules for the Schiit stuff unless you just really have no space or need one unit for transport. The dac cards only offer 1.5 v vs the 2vrms the stand along dacs offer. You wont be able to get the full power output the amps offer with the 1.5v rms dacs. Its not the end of the world as the Asgard is super powerful, but if you want max performance you should go stand alone units.
I also personally found the Schiit usb implementations before Unison to be rather meh, so if you are using USB I would recommend Modius (which has Unison) or looking at another companies dacs that offer Xmos. The built in cards use the old Cmedia interface. Getting a nicer USB input is one of the reasons to move past something like a Modi IMO (assuming you are using USB).
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