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Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I’ve seen some of your other posts as well around this class of headphones and highly appreciate your feedback in general.

I think I might have undersold the vocal presence on the 300r’s. They are definitely there and neutral as you have described. They just aren’t as forward as the 58x or Phoenix, which is definitely something I miss when listening to the 300r’s.

Yeah I’m definitely in a weird situation because I do agree with you on the Phoenix’s shouty upper mids but I just can’t pull the trigger and return them yet. There is something still magical about them to me but I can’t figure it out. It’s weird because with the Phoenix, when I’m doing sound comparisons the second I put them on they immediately sound worse overall compared to my other headphones. But then when I listen to it strictly for more than 5-10 minutes, it’s like a weird brain burn in where they all of a sudden sound absolutely magical. It’s driving me NUTS (mostly because I need to return one of these).

I have been interested in x2hr but I hear that the bass is muddy and then in general they just look funky (I know I’m being vain there but I can’t help it).

What to do what to do :slight_smile:

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Maybe a touch of eq is your solution. Either program or the Schiit Loki in-line.

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The phoenix has a very good sound texture quality in bass and mids (treble is pretty rolled off). So bass, instruments and vocals have a real great body and weight. This might be what you like so much about them.

I am also interested in many headphones, but i decided for myself to leave the cheap to midfi region and save up for some real good upper midfi or hifi cans.

I would like to hear the edition x v2, ananda and arya for openbacks and the nightowl, argon and d5200/7200 for closed.

Also intereted to try out (but not necesserly to buy) the dt 1770/1990, the t5p, the t1, the x3 and the t20rp mk3.

The monoprice m570, 1070 and 1060c are also interesting, but i live in europe, so shipping and taxes are ruining the price of the monprice products for me.

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That’s honestly a really good call. I had debated just keeping these 3 headphones (Tygr’s, 58x, and Phoenix) and just splurging on all 3 but it’s just not realistic. They are all roughly around the same quality. I might just do what you’re doing as well and just keep the Tygr’s for gaming and then save up for a hifi pair as well.

Oh by the way, I had the 1990’s and they were absolutely fantastic. They were just too heavy on my head and the high’s were a little too much at times. Otherwise the detail is a class of its own.

Keep us in the loop on where your path goes @keppes!

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I’ll try this, but i think this path good be pretty long for me. I can see clearly the advantages of hifi headphones over my actual headphone collection, but my wallet and my wife aren’t convinced in the same way😅

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So I was able to have a short test with the TYGRs today and I must say I am fairly impressed with them.

I have been considering either getting the HE400i 2020, the TYGRS or the HD560s as my next upgrade over the AD500x from audio technica.

Audio technica was my purchase right after the Cloud II. Even tho they serve me well for gaming, they are very boring for music. Music has no punch to it and especially for my rock and metal needs, it doesn’t hold up.

I managed to hit someone up close to me who purchased the TYGRS and I could have a direct 1-to-1 comparison with my AD500x.

They blow the AD500x out of the water in my most humble opinion.

technica AD-line seems to be quite well recommended for competitive FPS gaming. I haven’t touched a competitive FPS myself while testing them out, but I noticed while playing Borderlands 3 that TYGRS not only had a WIDER soundstage but also slightly better imaging and directionality. The imaging/soundstage actually went to as far as my ears could go, while on the audio technica they feel a little bit more centered. Not by much, but still fairly noticable. Footsteps could really reach the outer edge and pinpointing them was extremely accurate. For some reason, for a headphone that is praised for it’s competitiveness, I felt like hearing footsteps with my AD500x were a bit more difficult. it was as if they were hiding beneath something which made them less audible. I geuss the “airyness” of the sound really doesn’t do them justice.

Also I have noticed that the technicas sound way too “airy”. With the TYGRS I got a lot more “body” to the music I listened too, and not only that, it felt like as if the music was slightly higher quality too.

My source is youtube, so it’s not as if I listen to high quality audio files, but I listened to the same 7 songs on both headphones and the sound sound less nasaly and a little bit more detailed to me, as if you suddenly switched from youtube to spotify premium.

Low-end punch was very nice to me. The increase in treble was noticable, but for me it didn’t hurt or fatigue my ears. My only gripe with the headphone is how the mids are recessed. I was continuously trying to compensate for it by upping the volume. Bit of a bummer on that part. To me the warmth was only noticable during gaming. With music it didn’t really stand out on me. They are not as warm as Sennheisers for instance.

This was tested on a Windows-PC with no AMP. They do require a little extra juice to get more volume out of them.

My listening volume on my AD500x are on 30% windows volume. The TYGRS were on 80%.

I also played it on the guy’s iMac, which seemed to have a much better soundcard. The bass was much more refined. It sounded a little bit more forward and it’s quality was also much better. The warmth seemed to dissapear a little bit too, but it was still present.

Overall very pleased with how they perform. For my own personal taste I think the 560s will be a better choice, but the TYGRs are an extremely capable headphone. If I could turn in my AD500x for TYGRS at that moment I would in a heartbeat.

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Nice comparison!

Fellow ATH-AD500x owner here.
I can attest to the AD500x’s good FPS qualities.

From my experience, they benefit from an amplifier (even a cheap one).

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You could also just buy a spare pair of 990V pads:


All of the spare pads come with a filter that tame the highs. These are out of stock rn but they might be available on Amazon.
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How do th 1990 and the tygr compare? Do they share the same signature? From posts in this forum i would say that the 1990 have bigger soundstage, are much brighter and have about the same bass amount. Is this right? How about voval presence? The vocals on the tygr are slightly recessed, but i prefer slightly pronounced vocals. Do i get them on the 1990?
Hit_the_right_note mentioned in this thread the cheap foam discs from Beyerdynamic to tame the highs down. So would the 1990 with foam discs a good upgrade coming from the tygr?

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The original foam pads you mentioned differ from those built into the TYGR.

Right TYGR, left DT990

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Ok so it’s been a year since I’ve worn the 1990’s and they were also my first mid-fi headphone (only had the 650 to compare beforehand) so I might be a little bias so take my words as a grain of salt.

The 1990’s had much cleaner sound profile and more forward. I wouldn’t say it was Sennheiser forward but definitely more forward than the TYGR (5-10% more forward if that). The bass was luscious and hit faster than the Tygr’s. With the Tygr’s, the bass rolls off a lot slower and might be a bit muddier? Although, it’s been awhile since the 1990’s so I can’t fully remember.

My biggest issue with the 1990 is that I couldn’t wear it for over 3-4 hours as it felt heavy over time. In addition, the highs were just a little harsh. It depended on how my mood was. If I was a little agitated to begin with, I would want to wear another headphone altogether. But if I was in the mood for the sound signature, oh man it was a beauty. I only sold my 1990’s because I was buying a new house at the time and just wanted to have more $$ saved up as a safety cushion. Although, I’m not sure I would buy them again to be honest as the value probably isn’t worth it over the TYGR’s. :man_shrugging:

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Yeah you’re right. I thought it was an add-on filter but it’s just a replacement for the one already inside.

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Thank you for your reply. So i am still interested in the 1990. Maybe i’ll have the chance to buy them for a good price on the used market.

The Tygr have good ss and superb imaging, which makes them outstanding for gaming. Would you say, that the dt 1990 is on par with the tygr for gaming?

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Yeah I would say they are definitely on par. Both headphones are great for gaming.

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Can chime in with what Solo says. I never heard the DT1990 but the TYGRs blow the AD500x/700x out of the water, while they are considered the “FPS king”. Imaging, soundstage and the forwardness of footsteps is so much better with the TYGRs

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How do the DT990s compare in gaming to the TYGRs?

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They are both fine for gaming. Honestly, unless you are a competitive gamer, none of it matters anyway. The amount of significant differences is so little and only audiophiles are going to act like they are bigger. Some of the best professional gamers wear crappy headphones all the time and are better than 99.9% of people out there.

DT990 is a great headphone if you can handle the treble. If you can’t handle the treble, I suggest the TYGR

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I’m not a competitive g4m3r but I do love immersion. Which headphone do you think is more immersive.

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Different fields, 1990 will win in terms of competitive and in casual terms they go neck and neck depending on ones preferences. 1990 may be seen as grainy or very sibilant depending on the person.

I disagree, it matters
 1990 is quite bright so it may lead to fatigue, discomfort, also the weight is different as the 1990 has some heft to it as well. The two headphone signatures are very significantly different as tygrs are more on the warm side and 1990 is more on the bright side less changing pads to B which makes it sound more V shaped. Tygr can emulate that bright sound by removal of the dampener.

Yes, because they are given crap gear to keep things balanced overall. They choose to wear crap due to sponsors and what they are given because they are paid to do so. In other cases it makes sense as they wear the same crap so they don’t get out of practice with what they need to use during their venues. It has very little to do with this common mentality of they just wear whatever because “they are that good”. They are great at the game, but money talks, even if the equipment is rather uncomfortable they wear it anyway

both are aggressive and rather in your face. DT 1990 is the more analytical headphone so it’s going to rip apart what you listen to and pick out any errors and it’s definitely much more bright which could be a large deal breaker depending on your tolerance to treble. No right answer in this regard imo, it’s completely based on preference between those two. If your not competitive, it’s a safe bet to go tygr to also save some monetarily

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I was talking about the DT 990s not the 1990s. No way am I spending $450 on a headphone.