The 990s are extremely bright. If you want a regular daily driverā¦ go with tygr
I donāt mind the brightness and I already own the DT990s anyways. I was just wondering if itās worth getting the TYGRs for gaming. Howās the imaging and soundstage? Is it an upgrade?
Upgrade? No, sidegrade. Soundstage is a little larger and imaging is close to even. Less air in the signature and sounds a bit more full. V signature vs a warm signature that has a touch of brightness
Hmmm alright Iāll stick with the DT990s as I canāt breathe with no airā¦ How about virtual surround? Would that widen the soundstage?
Technically yes but more than likely will destroy the sound and screw with your imaging. 990s are quite large as it isā¦ not quite sure why youād need more than that outside of overkill like hd800s. As far as v signatures go to my knowledge 990 has the largest soundstage at its price point. With sundara and tygr to my ear having a bit larger but these are separate signatures
Wow this has been one heck of a read. Read about 550 posts so please forgive me if I missed a reply covering this in the last 100.
Tygr 300 r vs dt 990 600 ohm
I currently have a Schiit Hel and the Pc38x. The PC 38x has been a total let down. Imaging is no better then left right middle, and the soundstage feels barely there. As my first upgrade from 5 dollar Sony IEMs, I expected a lot more.
My main goal for these headphones is gaming, especially games like Hunt Showdown, which has fantastic sound design, and a hyper focus on audio. The entire game revolves around picking up on audio cues: water splashing, footsteps, a dog barking, the creak of a door opening, sticks cracking, etc. Iām really looking for the best soundstage and pinpoint imaging I can get under $230
Secondly Iām looking for a headphone that can really show me how soundstage can elevate live music recordings and orchestral music.
Would you pick the 600 ohm 990 or the tygr 300 r?
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For my own personal taste I think the 560s will be a better choice, but the TYGRs are an extremely capable headphone
Better for imaging and soundstage or better for music?
Hmm, so are you saying the dt990 600 ohm had wider staging and better sound then the tygr, but with the more recessed/warmer treble of the tygr?
Whatās the order # process for those foam disks?
Since they are practically the same headphone itās a tough call. Different signatures of sound but very similar stage and imaging. In gaming you may barely if at all notice the difference in the stage and image.
Tygr are a fantastic option if you arenāt a fan of brightness. It should go without question that the 990s are quite unforgiving in that they are extremely bright. The slightest bullet whizzing through a hall could be sibilant it completely depends on your tolerance.
Personally I really love the detail and air of the 990. However tygr is quite nice, easier to drive, more comfortable imo, sounds more full, not as bassy, still a touch of brightness. Either works but it depends on you.
Please keep in mind anything on here such as this remark is an opinion. 560 does not best the 990 in soundstage or imaging however for musicality it boils on preference. For example, Iām not a fan of the 560s I prefer 58x jubilee.
The foam disc, I had to remove mine from my own tygr to check this, barely effects the stage and image. It does however dramatically affect your treble as it dialed in the 990 quite a lotā¦ removing the dampener of the tygr makes it quite bright but they do not sound the same. Tygr may be a copy but there is still some slight changes
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Really appreciate this response falenkor.
As a total noob, could you extrapolate on what you mean by the āairyā quality of the 990?
In terms of sound signature. I do not really enjoy a warm signature and prefer a more colder/detailed kind of sound. Which is personal preference of course.
Thanks Gowax, as I get into the hobby Iām thinking I agree as far as signature preference.
Might as well order the 990 to A/B, since beyer has such a good return policy.
All this talk ive seen about 600ohm though, and it seems beyer only sells the 990 in a pro or edition version, both of which seem to be 250ohm.
Should I amazon the 600ohm, or is the seemingly newer 250ohm identical?
Airy - Spacious. Open. Instruments sound like they are surrounded by a large reflective space full of air. Good reproduction of high frequency reflections. High frequency response extends to 15 or 20 kHz.
The edition has a straight cable, case, can come in 600 ohms, and looks different. Pro is 250 ohms and a coiled cable.
Go with 600 if you have the amp to drive itā¦ sounds much better
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On the way. Next week will be some serious listening, Iāll be sure to report back. Thank you for the help!
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@Falenkor Would the sundara be an upgrade to the tygr?
I know that they have different sound signatures (v-shape vs. neutral/bright). But both are open and have an emphasis in the treble. Since the sundara is planar headphone, i think it should be superior in texture quality and impact, isnāt it?
I use the tygr for gaming and i like it for this purpose. Does the sundara create a similiar immersion feeling, which is what i like the tygr for? I prefer other headphones for music over the tygr.
I maybe have the oppurtunity to get an used sundara for a good price. So should i pull the trigger on it as an replacement for the tygr?
eh? Not sure where that misconception of a planar came from. Planars are good for slam and speed and some other characteristics here and there. Texture quality and Impact really depends on the headphone. Quite a few dynamics that have more impact or texture than a planar.
I still wouldnāt particularly call it V if anything itās barily a V to my ear unless you remove the dampener on that tygr. Itās very warm sounding without the air or heavy brightness. I would say tygr has more an emphasized bass line than it does on itās high frequencies.
This is rather vague and doesnāt properly explain unfortunately so color me a little confused. You say it gives immersion but this really doesnāt help in describing the sound qualities you really enjoy coming off the Tygr.
As far as the Sundara goes its incredibly detailed, great texture, has a very large soundstage with rather incredible depth, slightly above the average imaging, bass anemic(in comparison), very present and gorgeous mids, slam and speed of a planar is there unfortunately due to the lacking bass frequency you really donāt quite capture that factor without some equalization or a pad swap of some sort.
For Casual Gaming? Boils completely down to preference. Good price for Sundara would be $250 maximum or lessā¦ any higher and itās not worth it to be a good deal, considering open box models are sold at $250. The Sundara has a few conflicting issues. 1. bass is light so it doesnāt take great advantage of such slam and speed 2. hifiman has massive qc issues and is a big 50/50 on whether you get a good copy and it stays properly working 3. it leaks sound like you wouldnāt believe and can be picked up by modmic uni 4. it takes a hell of a lot more power from an amp than the tygr you absolutely need an amp to make the sundara work correctlyā¦ planars are a bit different on ohms than dynamic 6. the soundstage sounds wide and relaxed on the Sundara this is a noticeable difference as beyers are much more aggressive and in your face with their soundā¦ DT 880 and T1 are the more relaxed beyersā¦ in sundaras case its very laid back listening however, despite this plus for casual useā¦ tygr has laser accurate imaging which sundara does not. 7. pads are harder to replace on a hifiman due to the plastic adaptersā¦ it makes things a bit more complicated. 8. depending on ear size you may be uncomfortable with hifiman pad sizingā¦ at the same time you need to make sure the sundara is v2 with the pali pad and not the scratchy v1 hybrid crap(iirc they were called focus pad A or something)
For Competitive Gaming? Both work well, Sundara is going to have the better mids and brightness with less bassā¦ giving it an edge in signatureā¦ tygr is going to be the more upfront aggression headphone with insane pin point imaging. Both work incredibly well
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not sure if this was postedā¦ buuuut zeos sat and pad swapped the tygrs
And he basically liked none other than the elite fenestrated with more bass, lighter sound.
if you watch most of it, he seems to prefer those fenestrated with quite a few headphonesā¦ may be a bit biased on his part. Granted, they are fantastic pads. I do like them on the tygr myself, but stock work well. Itās the main way to really emphasize the warmth more on the tygrā¦ since they are too fussy with equalizers imo
Ugh I wish I had a good AB setup, because comparing the Tygr and Pc38x is a chore.
First off, Iām an idiot. My negative impressions of the pc38x are way off. I had all my volume settings off wack on the computer, and after fixing it these headphones absolutely shine. The separation of instruments and sounds in a track is something Iāve never experience before (as a total noob), and Iām completely wowed.
That said the tygr immediately blows it away with improved detail, and extremely wider stage.
Then things get tough. The intimate soundstage of the pc38x and slightly warmer tone makes vocals just sound so rich and enjoyable. The tygrs massively larger soundstage and incredible imaging though, create a much more enjoyable experience with any instrumentals, and especially with orchestral music.
What I would give for the entire experience of the tygr with just the warm vocals of the pc38x
That said as far as technicals go, the tygr beats the pc38x in staging, imaging, detail, seperation, resolution, everything.
As a total newbie I am seeing how some people can prefer a warmer signature for long term listening for a colder one for more analytical.
Iāll be gaming a few hours tonight with both to see how their game imaging compares and Will report back.
This week the 560s and 990 arrive and a very detailed report comparing all three will be typed up.
Also falkenor, what do you prefer about the 58x to the 560s?
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