Oh wow. Enjoying the amiron home a lot actually. Will need to pick up a pair of t1.2 and hear the difference eventually.
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so, just now noticed this on the USA beyer shop over hereā¦ buuut
so thatās a thing now. They actually added tygrs pads as a separate item with itās filters. 100% recommendedā¦ I have these on my 880s and the filters are definitely in my 1990s sounds great for those who want less on the bright peaks and more on the lows.
Personally though, for pad fitments? I prefer the design and fit of the tygr and the headphones like 880 and 990ā¦ the sloped pad design of the 880 and 990 originals make them real comfortableā¦ tygrs are more circular but still nice
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Just wanna chime back in here - Iāve had these for about 2 months now? Theyāve been promoted to my daily driver for āgeneralā use and also for gaming. Theyāre light, comfortable, the imaging is spectacular, they have a wide soundstage, and theyāre easy to drive. I use them to play games, listen to music, watch videos, and attend meetings (Iām WFH now).
Iām actually somewhat frustrated now because my DT177X were originally the ones Iād use to do all that, but theyāre considerably heavier and the TYGR are so light and comfy and do basically everything better, including music, they just arenāt closed-back.
So thatās a long way of saying that these are awesome and punch way above their weight at $200. After I got @tglodjo 's removable cable mod, I got a Hart Audio Cable to keep my system going. They also change sound quite substantially with other pads so thatās an option as well. I used the DT177Xās sheepskin pads at one point and the bass was absolutely ridiculous, but generally I prefer the velour.
I havenāt personally tried the Senn 560S yet but these are pretty damn stellar at this price point.
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Yeah, I love mine. In my mind I canāt help but wonder if these sounds this good, what does an upgrade sounds like? But from what I gather is you just get different sounding headphones. At some point I will get a pair of 880 600 ohm and T1.2 to try out. I think Iāve started to notice that frequency dip that causes some muddiness in resolution at the higher range listening to some songs that falenkor and some other users mentioned. The stock T60RP definitely had an edge on the Tygr in terms of clarity and despite the brightness, I still preferred them over the Tygrs for the short time I had them before I sent them to modhouse. If the argons sound as good as they say, I think they will inevitably replace my Tygrs. But judging by the USPS delay and the usual wait time, That wonāt happen any time soon. 
surprised to see you say T60s were better than tygr I think by that what you are probably noticing is that the dip in the treble doesnāt particularly paint a nice clean picture same with the mids. Dark treble is just kind of like that and the T50RP(not talking the T60rp) version of the argon has that bit of dark and warm tonality to it as well. Granted I would not rate t50 or argon better for a competitive gamer like at allā¦ worse imaging and the bass is explosive as hell so it definitely without a doubt gets in the way of your sound placement lol
bit of a confliction isnāt it? lol. Itās alright, recommend you grab the Aeons next they replaced the 177x For me as they share a rather common signature both being towards the harman curve.(note: not the aeon flowā¦ RT or Open-X massdrop is fine). Aeons are my regular Daily Driver that I have attached to my liquid platinum at all times less I switch to my T1.2
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How would you rank the beyerdynamic custom studio for gaming use like for competitive fps games against other headphones?
The Custom studio has the typical beyerdynamic imaging, means the imaging is very good. Treble is bright. So you get all the detail. All in all the custom studio was neutral with a bright tendency. For me it was too cold sounding. I was missing some warmth to it, especially for music. But i think that this isnāt a negative issue for gaming, because you get good detail and audio positioning.
I still prefer the tygr and sundara for gaming, because of the bigger soundstage and more bass quantity. For closed headphones i prefer some warmer headphones like the B&O H6 or the Meze 99 Classics.
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How are these compared to the pc38x and can someone please elaborate on sound bleeding between the two open backs? Which is worse? The wife would like to know lol
They have been compared a few times already on the siteā¦ takes a simple search.
Pc38x is the best of the headsets for competitive imo not for casual its bright with a slight amount of bass but in terms of music it pales in comparison to say other sennheisers. Lack of detail, lack of good separation, not the best dynamics, bit grainy on the highs, bass sounds quite lacking imo. Despite all of this it has a very ideal signature for fps with good sound for footsteps and other sound cue cards alongside above average staging and imaging.
Tygr is the opposite its warm with a ever slight bit of bright or a more subtle v shape as the mids are slightly recessed. This has a speaker presentation alongside a very large soundstage a laser sharp imaging full sounding bass and a good relatively balanced signature that does well for musicā¦ bass hits are present but stay out of the way with great control and are quite impactful, mids despite recession are still quite clean present and detailed, highs have a slight touch of sparkle but the overall signature due to the recessions can give the initial impression of veil when itās just some portions are dark tuned between the upper mids and lower treble it falls under neutral
Neither has bleeding to my ear but the tygrs need an amp of you do not have a strong motherboard otherwise it sounds rather terribleā¦ it has to be properly driven. Pc38x is a gaming headset and should be able to be powered ampless
Had a week to compare the Tygr to the 6XX and I still love these. The bass impact and wide soundstage are killer on the Tygr. Vocals sound only slightly recessed because there is so much going on around them yet they are still clear enough were keeping the 6XX isnāt worth it for me. Maybe itās the brain burn in because obviously there is a slight mid recess in the frequency graph. Such a fun can. Next up is the Harmonicdyne Zeus when I find a good deal on them. DMS callled them an upgrade to the Tygrs in soundstage and bass impact with similar sound signature so that got me real curious.
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Not quite sure why soundblaster gets away with false advertisements on their productsā¦ Claiming the G3 and the Play! 3 over there can drive up to 300 ohm studio grade headphones and canāt even power the tygr properlyā¦ I had to put the G3 on full blast 100% to get āloudā and even then itās not completely unlistenable levels itās at my normal listening level for gamesā¦ Thatās not driving it thatās strugglingā¦ pathetic since tygr is 32 ohms and can run at this same volume off my phone or motherboard. Trying to find a cheap option to drive the tygr but this is rather ridiculous
They probably can be used like marketed so. Then itās ok.
Audio comes out, then advertisements is correct or something like that. Question of āhowā is different.
For the past months. Somehow i have feeling like +90% people just listen too loudā¦or donāt how to set volume chain on every section correctly. Same feeling like what some mention ācanāt pushā so headphones donāt go as loud as they personally ācan handleā being near personal max level. Being deafening loud.
Since the volume tolerance varies by different people or day, somehow itās all just odd.
Thatās rather dumb because you can plug it into anything and have it make sound properly powered or notā¦ thatās just total bs
I mean, the G3 and play 3 are plug and play devices theres no chain and I listen rather quietly compared to most I knowā¦ loud to me is pretty average to them. I just find it absurd that at 100% itās still what others I know would consider volume around 50% to them. I can even tell itās not properly driving the tygrs as the bass is somewhat missing
Give a quick shout out for those looking for this. ebay popped up with a guy selling tygr 300R here, has a bid that expires in two days. https://www.ebay.com/itm/174574183071 (USA)
I know this has been discussed in this thread before, however I wanted to get some updated views on my question:
I am really just stepping into the hi-fi world of audio. Iām a lifelong gamer and will continue to be. I do love listening to music as well but my first priority will always be gaming audio. Iāve always had Soundcards growing up and never relied on the onboard audio of a good motherboard. SoundblasterZ, Audigy, Asus cards and my latest was the Soundblaster AE-5.
I always paired those up with āgamingā headsets. Iāve used Sennheiserās and HyperX sets.
In 2020 I finally decided it was time to dip my toes into better sound and forget about the software processing of āsurroundā I have grown used to.
So I started with getting a Schiit Stack of the Magni3/Modi combo.
Then I went on a headphone hunt until I decided on the Team TYGR Set. I did this because I also wanted good audio without needing to connect a modmic or have a āheadsetā
So I have been using the TYGR 300R headphone now over the past year. Let me say, I friggin love them! I had a beyer set of the 990ās (not pro) a couple of years ago and hated them. Looking back Iām sure it was due to not having the proper amiplification to drive them. I just didnāt like how sharp the treble was which I guess would be to say they were too bright for me. So I was hesitant at first to buy the 300R but had heard they were not near as bright.
Bass response to me is excellent and they just sound incredible in games. Music too.
So now I am spoiling myself and I want to go further down the rabbit hole of audio. I donāt plan to upgrade my schiit stack as of yet because I know even that is probably more than what I need for the 300r since they donāt require much power.
Iām looking at sub-500.00 pair of headphones for my budget. I keep going back to the Sundara. QC issues aside, I just keep hearing and reading so many great things about them. What I am hoping is that I will truly feel its an upgrade after I get them. I would hate to spend that much and then decideā¦meh my 300rās were just fine.
Thoughts? Again, getting a new dac/amp combo is not my path right now. I love the asthetic of the schiit stack and do believe its a great start to my venture. Itās all about the headphones for now.
If anyone thinks the Sundara is a mistake considering what I currently have - then any recommendation?
To help: I am not a bass-head but I do enjoy bass. My music listening is hard rock/metal, rap/hiphop, rock, techno/electronica for the most part outside of Gaming. I donāt do competetive gaming but I do enjoy shooters and for sure understand the value of great soundstage.
Perhaps I just donāt need to upgrade or change at allā¦but then what is the point of the hobby? lol am I right?
eh, magni and modi will last you a bit less you really go down the hole. I would just stick with them for a bitā¦ consider maybe the asgard 3 a bit later as it has some noticeably better sound changes especially in the spatial recreation. Dacs you can just keep the modi or switch up to the modius.
it depends, not sure if you looked at all the real facts on the Sundara but the Sundara is a Bright headphone with some pretty lacking bass. It sounds amazing for mids and treble but the low end is where itās the weakest. You can get something like Ifi Zen Can or Zen Dac with their bass buttons to kind of resolve this but the headphone itself just isnāt good for this. At the same time, while the sundara definitely bests the tygr in terms of just how spacious it sounds it does not best the tygr in accurate imaging.
Tygr is more of a warm or subtle V while Sundara is a Bright rather neutral headphoneā¦ they are opposites to one another. I have actually been struggling to find what I would consider a true āUpgradeā in terms what this headphones capable of without completely changing the signature. I will say that it hasnāt been very fruitful. The only one of late that I havenāt been able to try thatās on my radar is HarmonicDyne Zeus which has a warmer tuning as well similar to the tygr and may very well be a step up. Tygrs biggest brother right now from beyerdynamic would be T1 3rd generation but thatās over $1k lol.
nope, if you have issues with bright headphones I donāt recommend the Sundaras. Try to find something thatās more of a Harman Tuning or slight V signature. Aeons may suit you but these arenāt as good on the stage and image as tygr they just sound better in my opinion as far as sound qualities go. You may be okay if you switched to T1.2 or DT 1990 but -only- if you swap out the pads to dial back that treble if it poses any issues.
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Thank you for the response and advice. For now I have some things to look into for sure!
Why not try looking into Nighthawk Carbon? Itās one of those I keep in my collectionā¦ Bassy and dark, yet has good soundstage width and depth, plus real nice imaging on it. Itās not the most ideal for competitive but if your not one of those hardcore competitors and just want a casual use headphone for gaming itās incredibly nice in my opinion. The headphone was discontinued unfortionately, but you can find the Carbon and itās original variant floating about with a fluctuating price tag around like $300 or so. Highly recommend you go with carbon since it has the better cables and the extra pads which are very nice.
In comparison it would be bassier than tygr, better on the mids, but darker on the treble so it will have a fuller richer sound to it due to all the warmth
Honestly had never heard of that one till today, so I will check that out as well. Just adding more to the list of possibilities.
Hi there! I have read a good chunk of what you have written (from september/october I guess?) but I think I didnāt read about any pads that are bigger but do not alter the sound of the tygr! Does someone has any experience with this?
Thanks!