Can we just skip to the part where you come out as being a second account created by Ant?
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Iām not a troll. i like to joke around but i got better taste than that
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Listening to Midnight Oil tonight on these. sounds really good
hmmm i donāt know about that lol. i can think of many times that u trolled and then admitted you were using your weird sense of humor. i can appreciate that, from one troll to another lol
Well i thought it was trolling turns out it was just joking around 
see, i knew i was watching too much Monty Python. But i couldnt stop 
Iāve been pondering lately about the way this headphone reproduces treble. I posted some thoughts in right here in the Beyerdynamic Tygr thread
Another 2 cents worthā¦
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Hes says the vocals sound nasal. thats ridiculous. I heard no nasal like quality to the vocals. they sound fine. He goes on about the treble sounding metallic. but ignores how well done the treble is. He just sounds like another frequency nerd who wants nothing but natural neutral laidback sound but thats not what the Helios is. Its a fun/exciting headphone. He says the Helios doesnāt sound ācorrectā to him lol
He tries to compare it to a modified 58x. He couldnāt even keep from modifying his 58x! But thats a ridiculous thing to do since their both such different headphones. he even references Jeremy Clarkson at the end of his review. I cant recommend this reviewer
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I recon youāll see more people buying these with their Linsoul vouchers to try them.
Overall reaction to these from a VARIETY of reviewers seem to be largely underwhelming.
If that be the case we could see a few for small 
on the used market then?
Hopefullyā¦ Iāll try these one day. Need to put my curiosity to rest.
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Those guys are just nerds. And look at the used market, you cant find any for sale. Ive had the best headphones around and these have blown me away. trust me these headphones are greatness
Has anyone tried these with different pads? Iām considering getting audeze pads for mine when they arrive since I know Zeos said that it increases soundstage. Also how wide is the soundstage? I know theyāre supposed to be more intimate but Iām not the biggest fan of how close my hd650s sound, so are they close like them, or a bit wider than them?
I havenāt tried this, but might now. Thicker pads do generally widen the stage a bit, but also change the sound because thereās more room for the sound to bounce around in. The other consideration is that angled pads like the LCDs generally are intended to position a flat driver more at an angle to give a more natural directionality to the sound. Since the Helios already have angled drivers, using an angled pad could push the angle a bit. I have some Dekoni LCD Suedeās Iāll try later and report back.
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Thanks, Iād like to try out different pads and see what they do to them, but if thereās no point in me spending Ā£40+ then I might as well spend that money elsewhere 
I know the ones Z used were zmf ori pads, but they seem to be relatively similar to lcd micro suede ones
Or all the reviewer listens to is Bob Dylan and Tom Pettyā¦ then everything would actually sound nasal.
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It sounds very open. Its hard to describe cause its so different from any headphone ive heard. I recently listened to all my headphones again. like 18 of them in one evening lol. and when i got to the Helios at the end the difference was so prominent.
The problem with some people feeling that closed in sound with the sennhieserās is its veil. to me the closeness of its soundstage combined with that veil did make it sound more claustrophobic.
But headphones like the Helios and the Aiva and their treble just sound awesome with the closer soundstage.
But again the Helios is different with how open and big it sounds. even with the closer soundstage it still sounds very open
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Yeah i hate how expensive these pads are. ZMF and Dekoni are prime offenders. but i love my Helios so much that i might want to buy some nice pads for them. but iām afraid it will change the sound
Thanks for explaining things, the reason I find the 650s can annoy me is that at times I can really notice how close they feel (like the sound is actually coming from on/in my ear) which can take me out of the experience. But I do love the way that they sound
Doesnāt help me that I am based outside the US so shipping costs etc on top of the price of ZMF pads would make it close to what I paid for the Helios 
At least theres a couple UK based places that stock Dekoni
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Alright, so I need more time to go through some additional test tracks with the Dekoni Elite Choice Suede pads. Initial impressions, however, are that pulling the driver a little further out does help with soundstage a bit, and the presentation feels somewhat more natural, perhaps due to the staging and additional angle from the pads. Thereās also just the slightest bit more thickness on the material that covers the driver, which may contribute to some of what I perceive to be a slight taming of the highs, but it could also be the difference in the pad material. The pad itself, itās a slightly larger diameter than the cup, so it overhangs, which looks a little odd with the 3M adhesive strip being exposed.
I noticed this before about the Helios, but seems more apparent with these pads, that they really seem to be mix transparent. So, if the vocals are forward on the track, theyāre forward on the headphoneā¦if the bass is forward in the track, very much so in the headphone. Still a somewhat V or U shape, but less pronounced. Listening to the Deadmau5 curated playlist on Tidal, the bass hits very hard, but feels pretty clean for the most part (maybe a touch of mid-bass bloat).
Iād be very interested to try something like a ZMF Perforated Suede, but these pads may have found a new home for now.
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