but itās not veiled, itās just not bright.
Just listened to that eikonā¦ that sounds amazing not gona lie
but itās not veiled thoughā¦ just cause you hear one thing doesnāt mean other people will perceive the same things you do I donāt see why refuse to understand that fact.
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Sorry iām just joking. i understand what your saying. I know if i listened enough i probably could get used to it. i have a 58x and 600. and ive experienced that to some extent. but i really love my treble. thats one of the reasons i love the Helios so much. the treble is so well done
I understand that but to keep calling them veiled can mislead many people who otherwise would love a headphone to not buy it. Thatās what I take issue with
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Alright so, I felt I had to come back and add some justifications to this headphone. @Antpage2 going to tag you as well on this one. So I sent back the other helios and ended up with another pair as a replacement sent via a 2 day shipment I wanted to make absolutely sure the tuning was right. Upon plugging them in today, instantly I was met with more low end than the previous copy. The sibilance is no longer as present and itās smoothed out now. Lows and highs are natural bass extends fairly low and respectable its no longer that very bass light sound I had but instead hits pretty hard while having some moderate rumble after you switch the pads more natural with the suedes and less rumbleā¦ mids are present and detailed and donāt sound as off as before but still just not there quite yet mids appeared more present after switching pads perhaps due to the thicker material bringing in the soundstageā¦ Its not perfect but this is a hell of a lot better sounding than the other copy I had. Build quality this time is fine. No frays, padding is on snug, screws arenāt crooked, though I donāt like the weight distribution still and would still recommend some additional padding for this one. Upon switching to a sheepskin, in this case my dekoni sheepskins, that low end definitely comes out. Itās more neutral sounding now. Upon using my LP it sounds just slightly more elevated and seems to extend further opening up the sound and turns into a more distinctive warmer V. Not going to lie its a very pleasant signature. Perhaps theres some bad batches of these floating about? I donāt have any of that Nasal sound in the mids I read about but it justā¦ seems a little off hard to explain perhaps due to the bass and highs being more forward or maybe the design itself causing them to sound a tad off to me due to that rather āspaciousā sound it has.
Mind you this isnāt exactly what I am looking for in my collection? Nonetheless, actually nice.
I will take back my statement that it doesnāt hit above the pricepoint. I still think the build quality could be betterā¦ but yeah maybe in the $300 range would be what I would expect this to sound like. Sounds better than the dt 880 in my opinion a lot more full sounding with more body and sub bass while maintaining natural detailed sound to it. Loses to the 880 dramatically in the mids. 880s mids are pretty damn good. It still sounds extremely close to the HD 599 now with added bass and is more spacious but pales in the mids for some weird reason. It still doesnāt hit home for me as a replacement for my dt 1990 it doesnāt hold a candle to that one and definitely not coming close to the relaxing T1.2 over there but stillā¦ very respectable. I donāt say it hits in the $400 range because the 1990 can be found in that range time to time. Due to that I say the $300 range
Still will take the Tygrs over these though any day.
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Hmm, interesting. Well i guess its possible theres some fluctuations in the manufactoring. or maybe you got a early review copy? some companies will send them out for review and upon hearing the review decide to make some changes. Also someone here got a copy and the full sound didnt come out till he had burned it in for a while. did you burn these in? Iām tempted to buy another one and compare to what ive got. though some have suggested i got a golden pair lol.
Yeah. i guess for some mids are a problem. they arent for me but ive never been that into vocals. more a music guy. Iām more interested in teh Tygrs more than ever. do they have the same level of detail?
This is why I was wondering. Perhaps some sort of starter prototype towards the early stages of development or something though that wouldnāt explain why the pads were thicker in this caseā¦ itās weird. I will say this is rather concerning for a startup company to have random bad sounding pairs floating about I would hope they plan to address that and fix that issue immediately.
I sat with them for quite a few days listening to them straight so yes I definitely burned them in. These new ones though are not burned in and yet already sound better so I donāt think it was a burn in issue I completely think just the tuning was shot. The bass is now much more in my area of preference which is nice but since it already hits home with a few other headphones I have come to extremely appreciate I canāt see reasoning to keep it for myself. Though granted this isnāt by any means a very aggressive headphone. That big sound creates a more laid back relaxing style of sound which is quite nice in comparison to the others that sound similar.
I mean, I am not too much into vocals either, I love V signatures after all, but I noticed it sounds a little off so I thought it was worth mentioning more for those who just swear by the mids. This sounds now closer to that black version of the dt 880 I got just with a fuller richer sound and more laid back which is interesting. German engineering I guess.
I mean, they have better mids if that helps lol something thats rather not common in the beyer lineup other than the 880. Without writing up a two page review on how much I love and am biased towards how stupidly good that headphone sounds? Yesā¦ its extremely detailed and sounds absolutely incredible. Itās on the level of my 1990 in terms of detail in overall sound which is absurd for a $200 headphone, it also shares that laser accurate imaging, and potentially just as large in soundstage hard to tell though T1.2 has a wider soundstage than both of them. It honestly appears as though they took either the 990 or 1990s driver and retuned it which became the tygr.
Let me put it this way, the tygrs to me is the helios to you
I think the wood / steel cup is creating a timber that may be effecting the midrange. Thing about this headphone is its so unique. and iām wondering if the materials is why. I wouldnt sell it if i where you. iād keep it for the day when you got a bunch of headphones and you want something different lol.
Hmm, I mean I donāt have anything else really with that sort of cup design to measure that theory against so I wonāt rule it out as itās possible.
Say that to me after you try the tygrs and 1990. If you still feel the helios can take their place then thatās just something else lol. I feel they are fairly special so not sure. I just donāt think they particularly fit as I have headphones with the same general sound signature.
I think its just mainly due to audio driver technology moving foward. It makes sense that the drivers would get better sounding and more detailed in time. and become cheaper too. In my life ive seen how things get better and cheaper with tech over time. one of the reasons iād rather get a new 200$ headphone over a more expensive older headphone. And thats one of the reasons i love the Helios so much. its the reality of that process. Iām hoping the Tygrs are too. Maybe iāll love them more than the Helios like you do.
Maybe a new headphone will come out that iāll love more than both of them lol. theres the new philips headphones coming out. also the Sivga phoenix. Theres also the Heddphone that they say has the detail of a flagship headphone.
Well its ThieAudio and Linsoul. theyāve been around a while. so i doubt their manufacturing is very flawed.
Well i dont know about taking their place. the 1990ās are higher end. even though it doesnt have the Helios presentation. which the biggest feature im really in love with. i know 1990ās other features are very nice. Thats one of the reasons i would like HarmonicDyne to come out with a higher end version of the Helios. a bigger brother so to speak.
So, I like the over encompassing large sound and the brighter highs on the helios more than the tygrs I think it gives more detail, which is where I do see how people get that the detail is more āfakeā rather than actually detailed. Though in comparison the Tygrs just have so much more enjoyable lows and mids. So much detail and just an absolute perfectly tuned natural sound to them that make them fit dead on to my preference. If there is a single headphone in existence that borders on absolute 100% fitting my sound preference itās the tygrs and the only bad note is I wish it sounded just a little bit brighter, which is noticeable upon looking at the frequency as the low treble dips under neutral. That plus the mids could do to be just a touch more present however this could also just be my setups making the headphone warmer than it needs to be
True, I am keeping a close eye on those philipsā¦ If that new x3 is even better and wider tan the fidelio x2, without that muddy bass hopefully, that would be one hell of a nice headphone in my opinion so we will see. Dunno, bout sivga over there. Havenāt heard anything. I donāt plan to take that plunge till I know more on it.
I mean, at $1500 I would hope like hell it was that detailed and good sounding. Your competing with the Aeons, Clears, ZMFās, and Sennheiser in that area it would have to be one hell of a great headphone to beat out something like the clear or hd 800s.
I havenāt ever particularly heard good things about them thoughā¦ Only thing I heard that was decent was Thieās Phantom which required quite a bit of modifications though granted introduced a new pad type I wasnāt aware of called Velvet ear pads which I should probably look into trying sometime.
That would be fairly interesting to see for sure is a Hi-Fi grade variation to the helios. Though in terms of pricing I have seen the 1990s sold last year in the $300 regionā¦ so itās not too far fetched when it comes to pricepoint. Though they are in direct competition to tygr. Like I said though the only special thing I like bout them is that bigger presentation and bright highs everything else to me Tygrs beat them onā¦ That helios has that same larger presentation that I found I absolutely loved when it came to my aeons and itās one of the main reasons I keep the aeons as they sound amazing.
If there is a single headphone in my collection that the helios is competing with? Itās my aeons. They share virtually identical in signature. Large sound, lows and highs very detailed and noticeable, mids sound a little strange but mids sound better on aeons, aeons are balanceable and can be brought out more on higher tier setups. Considering that the helios is a $200 headphone and I am comparing it to my $500 aeons thats a hell of a feat in itself. Difference is after the aeon becomes balanced it feels like a straight upgrade in overall sound in comparison and the clear winner. Tygrs are close to the helios but the signature is more intimate and aggressive by comparison. HD 599 is extremely similar but again not as open and relaxed it doesnt have that bigger presentation to it
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Iām not as skeptical about them as some people. I know when the Phantom came out a lot of people loved it. even without modding. And Linsould TinT series iems are much loved. And the Helios is a awesome headphone. im very interested with what they do in teh future
What version of te Aeons do you have again? is it the 2ās or the drop version? closed or open?
I will be keeping an eye on them just incase they pull a showstopper out of nowhere.
Aeon Open X. Though granted the new retuned versions are very similar to the open x now.
Are you talking about the Aeon 2?
no, thats the massdrop version. Aeon 2ās are red. Aeon Open X is retuned and takes some things from the aeon 2 open such as the pads and other smaller intricacies as well as the tuning pads actually benefit the sound quite a bit
Should add that the aeon isnāt as bright sounding as helios as the aeons have a treble roll off
Got my pair yesterday and had a quick listen. First impressions are - very detailed and a bit bright in the treble. Definitely the Helios are a bit less natural and detailed than my Erupts, but for the price it is pretty damn good! Iāll have to break them in and swap pads, I also took the 10 pads option and the ZMF Ori Suede separately. I hope there are pads that would make them less bright, because my ears are more āsensitiveā.
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The sheepskins should dial in the treble a bit more for you. Donāt try the velours in that regard as it will lead to more brightness and perforated leads to sibilance. You can also use certain amp/dacs that will dial in the treble.
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Nice glad you liked them. You could also try 1 ply of toiler paper. it worked for me. I think they sound best with the stock pads. changing pads threaten to alter their uniqueness. If one ply dont work for you try another
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That works too ant but it will reduce quite a bit of the bass doing that alteration as it does for things such as the dt 990