A fair bit better, I will hear a new revision tomorrow lol, I really liked the older one and the new one just seems like a straight up improvement with some of the grips I had before
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BTW, since this is the Helios thread, here’s the Crinacle comparison between the FR of the (new?) Sundara and the Helios:
Just a hint of fall-off in the sub-bass, tad of bloat in the upper bass, moderate recession in the lower mids rising to a fair bit of emphasis in the upper mids, plus noticeably more treble.
M0N saved me the trouble. Exactly what I would have replied.
They should have called it the Hyperbolic Helium due to the high pitched resonances.
Well Helios is the greek god of sun/light if I recall correctly so I feel it is already aptly named, both being fairly bright lol
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that subbass roll off is gonna be my biggest problem.
Just gotta hear it for yourselves… there’s more to a perceived sound than raw amplitude measured at a given frequency. Just wait and see.
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Wise words but it also needs to stay at $130 indefinitely to be competitive.
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I have a feeling that will happen, kinda like what happened with the T4 on indiegogo and then it’s final price
Guess they need to make a HarmonicDyne Erebus, as Erebus was Greek God of darkness and the void. 
No they need to rechristen the nighthawks the Erebus
They said the price would be 200$
Yikes, dude…
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The “T” in T50RP is probably for Thor’s hammer, then.
Fucking bass withdrawal syndrome is real lol.
the the S int he samson SR850 must mean SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSnake
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They make bending machines
I think crin’s iem measurements are pretty on point, his headphone measurements are relatively new afaik, all his measurements see uncompensated tho so reference the harman curve when looking at em.
Again measurements exist to inform an opinion, not to form one.
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That’s what I would have said up to a few hours ago. But just discovered a really neat feature lurking in his presentation tool. Let’s say I own the BLON B20 and am looking for more bass and am considering the Helios. If I look at the Crinacle raw graphs for the two I see this:
What does all this mean?
But if instead I first click on the baseline button and then the pin button for the graph of my B20:
Then select the Helios from the list of available measurements I get something very different:
What I have now is the Helios FR compensated by the B20. So the rise and fall of the red line is now simply where the Helios is louder and where it’s quieter than my B20.
All I need is a sense of where the bass, mids and treble fall on an FR graph. I can now easily see that with the Helios I lose sub-bass, get a bit of gain in the middle and high bass, a bit of recession in the middle mids, and quite a bit of brightness in the sibilance region of the treble.
Problem is, I’m pretty sure everyone already has so much graphophobia that they’re not going to be open to taking five minutes to get the idea. It looks all technical and head-hurtish, even though it’s actually as easy-peasy as can be.
Nice! Exactly the counterbalancing perspective that’s needed. Just another bit of data for the decision-making mill.
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Is there some way to identify the silent revision version? Like its made somewhere else or the package looks different?
This was an awesome review(?) lol. Especially the part he says something like: why am I here, goddammit. LOL
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