Is zeos as bad as people say?

Couple things:
“All DACs sound the same” isn’t a unique take to Zeos. I mean, Audio Science Reviews makes a whole thing about how high-end DACs aren’t worth it, and they also have access to the highest-end business. And yes, I know people’s problems with ASR, the point here is that this isn’t some out-of-left-field take and I think people who are questioning Zeos’ motives are being unfair to him.

I’d say that knocking expensive DACs and saying cheap ones are fine makes Zeos LESS of a shill, not more of one. If he wanted to make as much money as he could, he’d tell you the cheap stuff is great but the expensive stuff is EVEN BETTER and encourage you to buy it, in hopes that you’d continue buying up the chain and giving him ever more affiliate cash as you traded up. But Zeos is the kind of guy who’ll say you can be happy with a KPH30i, who’ll say things like that he likes the $38 Blon BL-03s better than $2,400 HD-820s. Zeos honestly believes the right cheap stuff is just as good as the expensive stuff and that attitude makes him LESS money than if he was constantly trying to get you to upgrade. And I respect him for that.

I’ve said before, if your taste is similar to Zeos’, he’s very useful. Your taste may not be the same. You might think the Holo May sounds noticeably better than the Geshelli he compared it to. That’s fine. But I don’t think he’s being dishonest, and I don’t think he’s just a shill trying to make as much money as possible.

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I disagree with ‘all DAC sound the same’ as a rule of thumb…but do accept the trend that the differences between all the entry level options is becoming slimmer and slimmer if they are using the same chipset becasue as with amps and headphones, they have a ‘house’ sound. vary the manufacturer and that changes things.

Amps are really where the sound profiles differ.

edit - I also meant to say that at the higher end, DAC have differences that put them apart from their competition. now I have. :slight_smile:

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Wait, what are tou talking about dislikes V? Basucly every of his all time top cans are massive Vs

  • argon
  • nanna
  • starlight
  • TH900

I have absolutely no problem with Z. When I watch his work I am entertained and sometimes enlightened. I don’t take his (or anyone’s) word as the final word, there is plenty of material out there to cross-reference.

The dude makes me laugh. As for this sorted DAC business, I really wish I could listen to a high end piece just to see once and for all if I hear an actual difference. I am guessing that I will, but… will I like it better? Who knows!

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The ultimate audio reviewer would be yourself (with an unlimited budget of time and money)… but will likely not happen. So the next best thing, and also highly unlikely,is to find a reviewer with the exact same preferences as you that you can trust who is also reviewing everything you might be interested in.

Failing all of that… you do what most people have to do which is find a reviewer who reviews things in a way you like. Some people want highly detailed and accurate technical specifications on everything. Some really want comparisons of X vs X. Some want to be entertained as much as informed. Some just want the large amounts of money they spent in their hobby validated. Honestly all of these types of reviews are perfectly valid and the wonderful thing about the internet is that if you don’t care for something you can just find something else… or you can complain, if that is what you find the most enjoyment out of.

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Zee is an enigma rapped in a riddle. What other reviewer is prolific in content or all access as he, yet only a whisp of his true identity. A misunderstood audio superhero if you will.

On a serious note. only time that GOpro aint on is when its charging. Donnie said it himself, “im not becoming them maggie, i Am them” (1997).

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I like zeos but I find myself disagreeing with him alot. I started to skim his videos instead of really listening after the pc38x crap multiple reviewers decided to gush on about. Latest burn out was gl2000 and is the last time I ever let a reviewer talk me into checking out an audiophile product. I find actually talking on this site a hell of alot more insightful than listening to them In most cases

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I wish he would put a text tldl in the post for those that dont have the attention span for a 20+ min video.

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So what is the verdict on the trial of the teflon reviewer zeos Z. Pantera ?

Does anyone know why there is currently less of him on Youtube?

There’s hardly been anything from him for a few weeks now, unfortunately.

The algorithm.

What do you mean? He’s been dropping videos like every other day.

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On the German Youtube channel, instead of a daily video, there are only 2-3 max 4 videos a week.

Pretty sure a few months back he said he was going to every other day for videos. It’s the same on the US site, about 3-4 per week.

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Ah okay thanks :v:, I thought it was less due to personal matters.
We are probably too spoiled :grin:

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THEN do not watch him.

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Cool story, helpful first post. Welcome to HFGF!

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tl;dr: Your ears are your own, so don’t 100% trust anyone else’s, but also don’t hate on anyone for having a different opinion. At the end of the day, it’s your money, your life, so enjoy what you have and use your own opinions to buy what you want.

Even though this thread is only 6 days old, I feel like I’m super late to it just because of how many replies it has gotten. Anyways, I find it funny how so many people who still watch him to this day and/or use his forums talk bad about him since it makes it look like they’re trying to fight people over him and watch his stuff just to add fuel to their hate. Of course, I could be 100% wrong about this and probably am, but it’s just kind of weird how people will continue to partake in something they seem to hate, though I feel it’s a good thing since it helps to keep places like this forum from becoming an echo chamber that only listens to one opinion. And that’s the thing, when it comes to audio, it’s all opinions! We all have different ears, we all have different sources, but we’re all trying to do one thing: enjoy what we’re listening to. “Reviews” on opinion-based things like audio gear will never be factual unless they just strictly read off the product’s info page or read what a graph says, but none of that will matter to you since you’ll hear it in a totally different way from anyone else!
Personally, I got into audiophilia over a decade before I even knew who Zeos was, but I still love his videos because of how he talks about the PRODUCT, not the sound (since in the end, what he hears won’t be what I hear). What I care about in his reviews are his opinions on knobs, wires, machining quality, whether something is simple to use, etc. Since I started watching him in 2020, I’ve only bought one thing because of his recommendations, the Argon Mk3, but I also used other opinions from “reviewers” and users on sites like this to make that purchase.
What I find great about Zeos is that he, and DankPods, reignited my passion for audiophilia and gave me entertainment along the way. I don’t trust anyone other than myself, and I feel like that should be something obvious for most people in this hobby, but apparently it’s not since I see many people in Zeos’s comments who will absent-mindedly purchase something because he recommended it and others who do the same for DMS, DankPods, and other “reviewers” (can I stop putting that word in quotation marks? I think I made my point about reviewers being subjective when it comes to sound). If you want to just spend $50, then buy the KPH30i and Apple USB-A to USB-C dongle and be done with it, if you want to spend $5,000+, then buy equipment worth that much. Listen to it, enjoy it, and return it/sell it if you don’t. Your money, your ears, your life. Don’t let someone else control your life, buy what you want to buy and enjoy it.
P.S. I hope my little rant had a moral to it and wasn’t just useless and mindless rambling. I’ll write a tl;dr for it on the top anyways since I don’t want to confuse anyone with my style of writing. Also, re: the Holo May thing, who really cares? The people who will listen to his advice were most likely not going to spend that much money on a DAC anyways, and the people who will end up buying that DAC won’t let a weirdo on YouTube tell them not to. Not to mention that the people who have the money to spend on such high end devices would most likely still give them a try, even if they took Zeos’s word as gospel, just to hear it themselves.

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I dont think let zeos do that for me when buying audio toys. What will call him out for is his shillin upfiring atmos speakers but really cant ding him because Z only advised to lay speakers flat pointing up and against the wall, not a specific brand.

That shit dont work. Zeos is not the only golden ear. Recently been notified i have the golden ear too.

Say what you want about how you don’t like his review structure, how he rambles on things and dosent always provide accurate info, that’s all valid criticism which I personally don’t mind but I can understand why people don’t like it. But the thing that pisses me off a lot is when people say “Zeos has bad ears” or “he is WRONG about x product”. Do people not know that audio is one of the most subjective things in the world? Audio tastes can vary so godamn wildly that I wouldn’t be surprised if someone liked Bose wireless headphones over stax. There is no right or wrong opinion when it comes to sound, only different. And about the whole dacs thing, I have never tried a high end dac, but from what research I have done, only a veeeerrryyy small amount of people with ultra accurate equipment can actually here a difference between a good mp3 and flax. What that means is, 99% of people probably won’t tell the difference between a 500$ dac, and a 1000$ dac, as the differences are so minimal. You may hear a difference from the sound signature of the chip, but I bet you’ll never be able to tell that one is “more accurate” then the other.

Peace :v:

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