So much @Rikudou_Goku love here, love it 
I feel like if people really want bang-for buck in this hobby, they should buy the stuff that was popular 6 months ago used for like 50% msrp and experiment a lot with eq to understand what you like and get the most out of what they have.
Once again espousing advice I should really take myself 
Hobby is super subjective and where one person’s endgame or dragon may end up being something like the Storm or the freaking Fugaku or Macbeth, etc.etc.etc., another’s may be like Grand Maestro. Or another’s may be a $20 set that’s EQ’d.
There is no wrong answer until you start saying everyone else’s opinion is wrong.
Or just buy RikuBuds.
Do you currently have earphones/iems or headphones wired or bluetooth doesn’t matter?
Okay, but looking at the graphs, the comparison is about different sigs now, it makes sense as to the differences heard.
Would it also make sense in this case, to EQ them to the same response? I think then we could know if there are differences in driver quality and capability.
I do think it’s awesome that in 2024 we can buy iems less than 50 dollars that sound excellent.
I just sold 2 virtually new sets near double the cost of the 2 sets that I was reaching for every time (Oracle MK3 and Hisenior Mega 5 Bass vs Tea Pro and Doscinco)
None of those are my perfect set yet I think of how much I spent on all my Campfires, and even my 80 dollar Artti R1s. I prefer more than my previous Andromedas for how I use them.
Money spent to value realized is 100 percent individually perceived.
At the end of it, I am no longer surprised just how good some cheap sets are getting.
Currently everything except wired headphones (open back or closed) and flathead. Curious about flatheads tho.
As a dude wo got his collab bashed by an old angry prick…over and over again. I’d like you to grab popcorn and watch the surgical Autumn
We don’t throw rocks and then hide our hands around here.
That shit is played.
Time toput a cap on the cap.
What’s up ya’ll. Long time lurker here as I’ve done all my posting and such on Head-Fi but this E20 and Deuce talk made me create an account and chime in. I have both and yes the E20 has fantastic bass. I haven’t gotten it out in awhile because the problem it had for me was sibilance and shout vocals. I am sensitive to this area big time. Like the upper mids are at the top of threshold for me with the Deuce. I’m a loud listener so I know that plays a roll.
This has prompted me to get my E20s out later and see what’s what. From memory I can not fathom them hitting as deep and visceral as the deuce but aural memory is a fickle biatch
Oh ya E20 stock is not comparable bass wise. I’m talking about when it’s EQ. Stock Deuce is still the go to basshead rec 
I actually just did a review on it today, you can check out the EQ presets in there
DEUCE REVIEW IS OUUUUUT
I was just warning people about that and the man drops the news himself hahaha love it
TDM play dumb games win dumb prizes
Bro is cooked
I received the Ziigaat Estrella courtesy of the Audio Geeks Tour Group and have been listening for the past week or so.
I received the IEM without the packaging so I can’t comment on this, the IEM came in the included case with the stock cable and tips.
The shells themselves are nice, there’s some glitter making them quite interesting, rather than a dull black. The IEM’s fit really well for me and I find them very comfortable. They do stick out a fair bit, but its a non-issue.
There’s been a fair bit of criticism towards the supplied cable and I can understand why - it looks and feels quite cheap. However, having said that, its fine, it does the job and I’ve seen much worse.
I didn’t even bother trying the stock tips, so I couldn’t comment on them.
Overall what you get is pretty basic, however for me it’s not important, its how it sounds - and I have to say, I think the Estrella is excellent value for what you get in terms of sound.
It’s noticeable immediately that its a V-shaped sound signature, with elevated sub-bass that digs deep and solid mid-bass punch without the lower mid bloat which I dislike. It also has quite pronounced treble. Its very well extended on both ends. I wouldn’t say its too spicy in my opinion, but it can come across a little sharp. What this does though is create a real fun dynamic sound with extremely good detail, imaging and separation. I have primarily used the Eletech Baroque tips, but I did find the mid treble can be tamed a touch if switching to a more narrow bore tip like the Dunu Candy tips.
The Estrella instantly reminded me of my Monarch Mk3 that I previously owned, and from looking at the graphs I can really see why, its extremely close and it sounds it too. Now I’m not saying its quite reaches the MMK3’s level, in terms of overall resolution or refinement (from memory) but its not far off - and for the price its an absolute steal, for me it really does sound like a low-cost MMK3.
I currently only have three IEM’s, with the lowest priced (and therefore closest) being the Pilgrim Noir, so I only briefly compared it to the Noir. Having done so, i was surprised that the Estrella has better detail, separation and imaging, now this is probably primarily due to the tuning, however it was still mighty impressive and I was surprised it was noticeable thin this department.
The Estrella might just be the best IEM I’ve heard in its price range, it punches well above its price. It’s truly amazing what you can get these days for a relatively modest price. This is an excellent collab by Jay, hats off to him. I look forward to hearing his future collabs.
Thanks again to Audio Geeks tour group for the opportunity to demo the IEM.
Thanks for the impressions man 
Glad you’re digging them!!
The point with the Estrella was to provide as much value sound wise as possible while being fun, so I’m glad they worked out for you 
Hmm… going purely by graphs which rarely is valid of itself, I’d take Explorer over Odyssey and Arcadia over KE4.
I’ve been having far too much fun with the Explorers that last several days.
Nice one! Seems like you and I had a very similar experience with it 
So far Odyssey is much better to me, like a straight up upgrade from the Explorer
Arcadia is similar to KE4, feels even warmer. Ps, the plating on the Odyssey is really nice, pics soon 
I was about to agree with John and the I saw this comment… ayo, looking forward to that review, my boy! The Explorers have a special place in my heart, it’s a sick set that’s perfect for laid back listening… I’ll be patient for your vid but I am curious as to why you say it’s a direct upgrade 
I won’t lie, the Arcadia’s graph looks dope af
Just looking at the graphs… Even tho I can’t read them that well… It looks like the Odyssey may be a good iem under 250 for metal music. But again I can’t read graphs like you guys who have been in the game for a while.
