The 5070ti is the better card for anyone wanting to upgrade to the 50 series and wanted RT and DLSS. It’s a much better value than the 5080. So I would not be surprised if NVIDIA stepped in about this because of the backlash.
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Oddly, workstation cards don’t seem affected by all this. I can still get an RTX Pro 6000 for the same price I could 6 months ago, and that’s 96GB of VRAM.
I dont think so at least for the time being, i think they are just hitting certain limits that slow them down. Also keep in mind these are halo product i wouldnt expect huge leaps in performance when its the same architecture.
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This isn’t really meant to be unseating a previous performance king like the 9850X3D (which is a disappointment), this is purely meant for people who have workloads that can benefit from the extra cache and aren’t latency bound. AMD spent 2 years insisting that people didn’t need dual cache on desktop CPUs, but people kept asking for it.
I mean thats the same case with the intel examples above, they are also “refresh” generations and why they dont improve much.
With intel i think what bugged me most is that they would repackage the same chip, overclock it slight and then call it a “revolution” - this doesnt see like that (at least for now). If they were to call this Zen 6 or call it some other like a Ryzen 9 10050X or something like that, that would feel more “intel-ish”. Again this is just for the moment that could very well change
Absolutely, we have to see how zen 6 performs later this year. But so far this refresh model and also this
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-medusa-point-1-apu-for-next-gen-laptops-spotted-featuring-4x-zen6-classic-4x-zen6-dense-config
Does not look good if they continue this trend…
If history is anything to go by, that the uplift wount be huge, when AMD releases a new architecture they tend to be a bit rough around the edges, with 8-15 % of improvement, from the last gen, but the follow up tend to be more fully cooked. That’s, at least for me, is the difference from intel, its not the same thing but jucied (which made intel a nightmare to thermally mange), with AMD it just tend to be undercooked at first until they get things right - but its a “wait and see game” at this point. and with the RAM shortage, they might delay things
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yup not a good sign, its more expensive than the 9800x3d but barely any better just like the good old intels
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If i remember correctly the 9800x3d was near that at launch maybe 20-30$ less, so not that surprising. And Halo products were never good value, for most folks its for bragging rights. the big question will be Zen 6, hopefully that will stick with the same price as Zen 5
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yeah 480 USD msrp is what i can see from reviews.
And yeah zen 6 will definitely be the thing to look at, especially how it compares with nova lake from intel (ultra series 4).
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Well this explains why the few stores that still sell some 12th gen Intels are so damn overpriced now…
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Lately it has been overpriced and it’s gonna continue which I really wish it doesn’t. At the end of the day for them it’s all about the money, and I am not even sure if I really should go back to the PC building space, unless some reasonable changes are made. But that is just me coping, probably not.
It’s more of “play it smart” game now, and take your time when specing and building stuff out, also keeping a close eye on your local used market is very smart - especially if you have some friends who dont really know hardware and wont price gouge you when upgrading
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Probably the best option now since the used market makes so much sense nowadays than the upcoming releases. I really don’t have any form optimism on the upcoming stuff due to a lot of greed-induced excuses to raise a price. AI is not helping either for me, in fact it’s becoming more of a chore than an enjoyment to build a PC.
I think you guys are correct. I have been a software engineer for about 35 years now, and the worst things in the entire time were some short term memory shortages ( one was a fab fire, and the other was OG Pentium demand spike ), but they were both 3-6 month problems. This seems like a new structural problem, that will persist since it makes the manufacturers piles of money.
I will also state that AI is nearly useless on languages that require the programmer to manage the memory. It wasn’t a surprise that it struggled with older stuff like PL1, C, and C++, but it blows at Rust. Rust is the new hotness and has been huge on server applications, and is heavily used in Android, mostly because the memory safety is enforced by the compiler, and tends to pass the memory around rather than make copies the way Java and C# do.
Also I have to admit that I sort of got some lucky timing this summer. My middle granddaughter broke the power connector on her laptop, and it was going to be a bit too much to repair for what the machine was ( GTX1650, 8 GB RAM ), so I gave her mine which was similar but with more RAM, and bought a new laptop for myself. The new machine has 64GB of RAM, and has an RTX4060 with 16GB, and it was $1100 at the time ( the RAM would got that much today ).
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The newer the info is the worse these “AI” (LLMs) are.
You are rich if you sell it. 
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Facts. I actually just got a new work laptop ordered since my current one is pretty old and struggling between OneDrive and our mandatory security suites (8gb RAM, i5-1035G7). It seems like laptops actually haven’t been hit too badly yet because there’s lots of stock and closeouts atm, but if you wait a couple months it may end up pretty rough. The New Hotness has 32gb lpddr5x and a Ultra 7 258V with a PCIE Gen4 1tb and still only clocked $1349, which isn’t terrible. Time is gonna make it worse, at least for a while…
Edit: It also wasn’t that much of a concern for our company, but I suggested buying it ASAP before the hardware price increases really hit. Waste not, want not!
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