Hm, how much higher are we talking? If I do make a jump I’ll most likely go to a higher tier instead of staying in the same one.
I’ll prob save my money first in case a new upgrade for the p6p comes out and they do another trade-in program for it tho
Depends, generally I’d expect something in the 1.5-2k used, or you move up to some of the totl stuff
You could, but I doubt it will be anytime all that soon tbh. The really didn’t plan to release the pro this early from what I know, and don’t really have any immediate plans to do something like that again. Now that they have their hardware down from the p6 to the pro, software updates should be the focus
Which price range would be high enough to make a significant difference? I’ve been eyeing stuff like the 64 audio trio, or for more totl the rhapsodio infinity mk2, though the latter would probably be quite outside my budget or it will take much longer before i can raise enough money for it
god i hope so lol
Yeah definitely. No gapless playback is really annoying, detracts from the experience when listening to an album that has single songs split into multiple tracks or any album that has seamless transitions between songs. The player doesn’t stop at the end of an album or folder when using it in sequence mode, and just loops back around to the first track. The filesystem for the internal storage in the DAP seems to be FAT, and it’s really annoying trying to copy files onto it (which has been excruciatingly slow for me), only to realize that you have to use additional software tools to sort it again. I understand that since the dap’s operating system is in linux that it would probably be harder to make it work with NTFS, but it’s still frustrating. USB audio needs some work, it doesn’t even let you check the volume while using it. And it sucks how you can’t use the dap menu while it’s connected in USB audio or MSC mode. Bluetooth mode needs work too, can’t tell you how many times my listening sessions were put to a dead stop because I went on a website or app on my phone that actually doesn’t play audio but tries to lol
Most things higher end, you mention a tia trio and that’s a solid step up from a technicality standpoint, and that’s only around 1.2k ish used for a nice pair. You could make even larger gains and jumps with something like an infin mk2, but I would try out something a bit lower end first before you make a jump that big. I should really ask what sort of sound are you looking for?
Right now that’s the biggest thing they need to address in my mind
Yeah microsd works fine but the internal storage is slow for sure and the org thing can take some extra time
For me all it needs is 24 bit support 
Hmmm yeah actually didn’t notice that until now lol, I can still change volume but it doesn’t show the number on usb
That would be a more phone software problem from what I know rather than an issue with the bt on the p6p
Hmm personally im not very sure how to describe it. I listen to (or am at least receptive to) essentially everything, from rock to pop to electronic to experimental to even noise music, so I’d like something that’s more versatile and works with all genres (or at least most of them). Since i want something to complement the sardas or be a nice change of pace from it I think something more neutral or W-shaped would work, something with less recessed mids than my sardas. I would like something with a lot of great technicalities – think that would impress me more – as long as the tonality is relatively inoffensive of course. I would prob use this iem for more critical listening with new music I discover, so something more accurate to the source would be good. I enjoy bass texture a lot, don’t think I need something more bassy but I probably wouldn’t complain. I care more about bass quality than quantity tho. I enjoy good spatial recreation a lot. I like more natural/organic timbre. I do have some bias towards more rock-oriented music, so something that works great with electric guitars would be nice. Something that also works great with both male and female vocals would be nice too. Also something that works well with low-fidelity/poorly-recorded music would be pretty great, though not necessary
Yeah probably, could be for the better for me anyway so I don’t waste the battery from leaving bluetooth on when i don’t need it
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Hmmm ok
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If you are after more resolution, then that typically comes at the cost of forgivingness
So I do already think you are on a good path with the trio, it is on the warmer side of things, slight midrange recession but prominent enough to not bother, pretty solid tonality and timbre, lots of resolution in an unoffensive way, good tonal density, bass is pretty dang textured while being on the smoother thicker side of things, wide stage. Does good but not amazing for vocals but I’m not really a vocal person. Another iem that might fill this role and signature well would be the fir m5, which has a more neutral warmer sound with better technicalities and more organicness at the same time, a trio direct step up basically
Another potentially good pick would be a jomo trinity brass, which would be a bit more neutral warmer organic leaning with pretty great resolution, lots of texture, a smaller but very deep stage, pretty light on it’s feet overall, pretty nice for vocals, a bit more of a specialist but a good complement to the sardas
The infinity mk2 would be really nice for what you are after although not forgiving at all, but that’s pushing past 2k used where the others can be found for 2k used.
A qdc anole vx could be something to look into, strong technical performer, a more w shaped signature, fast and detailed with great separation and holographic stage, not that organic and can be slightly lean sounding but it is something to look into.
Yeah I’m not particularly aiming for something more forgiving, I think a fair amount of the low-fidelity music I listen to can’t really be improved much with more forgiving iems anyway
Yeah me neither, I just like good vocals when the music demands it sometimes
Heard of this one but haven’t looked too deeply into reviews of it, might be closer to what I’m looking for
Looked into some reviews on this one before, by specialist do you mean it works well with guitars?
Think it would be hard to find it used unless rhapsodio releases a new iem to replace it. Haven’t seen that many listings on hifishark. Though looking at impressions it does seem really good. def pushing my (current) budget tho
Not sure if I’d like something that sounds slightly lean, even if it has great technicalities
So I’m looking more into the Fir M5 and Anole VX, looks like they have some weird proprietary connector shenanigans going on. Sounds pretty annoying if I ever wanted to do cable rolling.
P.S. Do you think getting a cable upgrade will improve the sound for the Sardas? I’m kinda skeptical with cables being able to improve sound a lot, but I think for IEMs like the Sardas it might matter. Don’t have much experience with this
It’s not as good of an all rounder but it works great for most organic music
It’s shown up used a few times, but for basically msrp so yeah you are pretty much new or nothing there
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The m5 can come with either rcx or mmcx so it depends on how it’s configured. The qdc has that protected 2 pin, but there’s nothing stopping you from plugging a normal 2 pin in there iirc, will just stick out a bit more. But yes that will slightly limit cable options but there are still options
So firstly are you already running it balanced, and 2ndly what way do you want to lean it sound wise? I personally do think it’s worthwhile to at least try and decide for yourself if it does or doesn’t
Might not be suitable for all of my music then
Ok that’s good at least
It looks like the polarity is also reversed so idk if that’s a problem or if it just means I have to make sure the polarity is correct with a sound test
Yes I’m already running it balanced. Soundwise something that would deepen the subbass would be good. Better spatial recreation/soundstage and more natural and less recessed mids would also be nice
It might be, I’d have to look again I can’t quite remember
The PW blackicon silver gold is pretty nice when it goes on sale, but it’s not cheap, but it does tilt the way you are after
I’ve been looking at that one, still think it’s pretty expensive tho, but enough to maybe justify a purchase. Do you remember how much they usually go on sale for?
As a side note, how well do the Sardas scale on much higher end cables like PWAudio Monile ft.50/60s, 1960s, and 1950s? Don’t think I would ever buy cables that expensive for something like the Sardas but I’m curious
I think 350 perhaps at musictek? Might be a bit more, but under 400 for sure
Soooo the current cable I have on my sarda is a 1950’s 4 wire, mainly since I don’t have anything else to put it on for the time being. I would absolutely NOT recommend doing something like that, it’s absolutely not worth for a sarda. But, if you could find something like a 1960s 2 wire used for around 600 or 500, that’s actually worthwhile and it does scale a bit higher. But you better really love the sarda at that point lol. There’s also the slightly cheaper monile series which are also good but I haven’t heard that exact pairup with the sarda
ok got it lol
So I think I got it pinned down to either 64 audio trio or fir m5. The m5 still looks pretty expensive to me, although I could probably get it soonish if I really wanted. Think I’ll wait for a price drop + included 4.4mm cables/2-pin adapters before I’ll pull the trigger. I’ve been a long-time lurker so I haven’t felt like posting on head-fi and clearing my new user status tho
Nice, both solid choices, it’s pretty much going to come down to budget
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Just want to comment that I own the trio and have done an extensive demo with the m5 as well as owned the sarda and i agree fully with M0N’s assesments. The trio is a great iem and so is the m5, just really different goals each is going for sound wise though. You really can’t go wrong with either.
I will mention that if you are looking to get a m5 and use the 2pin adapters i would warn you that they are kinda uncomfortable and not really the best ergo. That is probably the one thing that puts me off about the fir lineup, rcx itself is actually really nice, way better than mmcx but the fact i can’t use my expensive cables is a bit of bummer and if i decide to get a custom cable just for them then it’s stuck exclusively to that set. The one thing that is good though is that the Fir stock cables and upgrade cables for that matter are actually pretty good both sound wise and ergo so if you want to stay in ignorant bliss there is that lol.
also just to mention I have owned a pw 1960s 2wire and currently own a pw monile ft 60s 4wire, and used them both with sarda and trio so if you have any questions i can try my best to answer.
Damn that’s awesome
What do you mean by this exactly?
Aw that sucks. Are the upgrade cables the ones on their website that they let you customize? Looks like they cost around $350 for 4.4mm RCX
Yeah I’d like to know if there’s a sound difference between the 1960s and the monile ft. 60s. Also like to know whether they improve the sound of the sarda/trio and by how much compared to cheaper cables
The trio is a more warm fun sound signature with good technicalities while the fir is going for more of a studio neutral warm approach and more balanced overall. The M5 will be more no nonsense signature wise while the trio is more forgiving and less technical. I agree with M0N in saying that the M5 is a step above the trio, i’ve heard it’s more akin to the fourte in performance.
Yes i believe so.
here are some thoughts I cobbled together a few days ago for somebody else that was asking.
the monile has similar added bass control and texture but not as full or warm as the 60s. soundstage is very similar where the added width and depth is almost indistinguishable from memory at least . Mids… oh boy this is where i actually prefer the monile as it makes the mids on my trio ever so slightly more forward sounding and less recessed. other than that it has a similar lush quality to the mid range as the 60s. The highs are further extended and has more air and sparkle to them, no doubt in part to the silver hybrid part of the cable. overall i feel the monile does a lot similar to the 60s but is different enough that would warrant owning both. I think the trio sounds great on both.
just to note this comparison was mainly with the trio in mind as a common point of reference.
I would say that they both improve quite substantially with these cables over stock and i personally feel it’s worth it but only if you have the other parts of your source chain figured out (which it looks like you do!) However I don’t know if I would buy a cable that expensive for something on the level of the Sarda though. You can get good sonic improvements with less expensive cables as well.
another note is that while i found the 1960s 2 wire to work witht the sarda very well, it was somewhat of overkill in the bass department as the sarda already has that covered. ultimately if i had spent more time with the monile on the sarda before selling i assume I would prefer it in that particular pairing but who knows.
Seems like the m5 is what I’m looking for then
Alright good to know, thanks. Maybe if I get the infinity mk2 and that crazy $2k copper upgrade cable then I’ll consider getting cables that expensive for the sarda if I’m still keeping it by then lol
Sounds like money that could have been saved for the Infinity MK2 instead 
Let’s just say the MK2 made all of my previous IEMs and demos obsolete, hah!
Maybe if there’s ever another stimulus check I’ll get it just like how I got the p6p lol