Luxury Precision P6/P6 Pro R2R DAP

Yeah thats something I’ve found with the HeK too, although I haven’t powered it to anywhere near its full potential but I like the versatility of IEMs and DAPs compared to headphones and desktop gear. I think I’ll use speakers for what I get out of the HeK anyway for music.

Hoping to get something with a DD after getting the P6P, maybe a Fir VxV or even a Trinity :thinking:

The only thing I think I’ll miss is streaming capability, but I’ll just have to make my library bigger or connect to a streamer/phone etc.

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When LP can offer streaming and a UI along the lines of say a DX300 then I’m in :+1:

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I’ve largely done the same at this point, though I do plan to keep the LCD-24 since they sound great on the P6P on its own, and Nighthawks for more fun.

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Yeah I think I’ll probably come back round to headphones at some point, maybe something like a th900 or Diana v2

Yeah it would be real nice to have a DAP at the level of the P6P with streaming capabilities built in

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Doubt that’s ever going to happen. Their proprietary os means its basicaly impossible. Tbh though, BT to p6p is better than the bit perfect streaming yo my sp1k anyways.

Also, just a heads up on using p6p as a desktop replacement. Usb is limited to 16/96 (yes, you read that right, 16-bit max). Imo, that is a massive limitation that makes its kind of untenable to be used primarily as a desktop dac. I hope the lp7ti removes that limitation tbh.

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Yeah I saw about that, I do wonder how much difference it would make to me personally

Cayin are chasing with their N6ii Titanium… which is designed around R-2R ladder tech.won’t be too long before we have a full R2R with a good IU and streamable capabilities :pray:

Oh, I don’t doubt discrete r2r with streaming will happen, I just don’t think it will be L&P.

On a side note, I am pretty currious how that n6ti will perform. I’m guessing not p6p level, but its a very very interesting device.

The sample rate isn’t a big issue for me (higher would obviously be nice for some HQ player use, but they would likely need asio drivers as well), but like 40% of my library is 24 bit personly :confused:

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I’m not even sure what percentage of my library is what sample rate :sweat_smile: I need to get my stuff properly categorised etc too

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You have roon? If so it will just tell you

Not yet, I’ve not really got enough of a library to justify it to myself yet, and I use Apple Music for streaming so wouldn’t really have the streaming functionality from Roon. I do use an RPi 4 with Volumio for my library

Yah. Roon having no plan to support Spotify lossless is a huge downside for me personaly. I currently use it with quobuz but they just flat out dont have everything :confused:

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I think part of it is like how Darko said about how Roon has such a small segment of their user base, but it is unfortunate that it doesn’t support more services.

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I hear you guys on the 16/44.1 limitation. That’s what most of my library is, and since it’s almost all on my SD card anyway, I don’t use it as a DAC from my computer much. Even with that limitation, though, it’s by far the best DAC I’ve heard to date. I’m hoping they’ll release a firmware update soon that removes that limitation, since I don’t really see any reason for why the limitation would exist in the first place.

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Its possible ots a usb controller limitation. Especialy if they are using gen 1 for low noise

Has anyone gotten enough ear time with an HM1k to do a fair comparison yet?

Two interesting portable setups utilizing the P6P (i think @M0N has explictely talked about both, but here is my take)

Some background: These two amps are both quite new to me but I have had the cans and dap for several months and have a couple hundred hours on each item. My music tastes cover realistically everything asside from rap (though I do listen to a lot of hip hop, r&b, and neo soul so some cross over). The majority of my listening is also quite quiet at usualy around 55-60db average, but I will have “loud” sessions around 75db average as well (peaks basicaly never over about 80-82db).

P6P → LessFox BX2 Plus → Diana V2

This is what I feel to be the more “normal” setup of the two. My 3 main points of reference for diana are using the P6P LO with a GSX-mini, Mass Kobo 428, and just directly out of the dap.

BX2 Plus vs GSX-mini:
Unfottunately I dont have the mini side by side with the bx2+ as I sold it on about a week ago but I’m at least confident I remeber the general sound signature on diana even if I can’t compair stuff like attack, detail, or raw image clarity which i feel are fairly similar between the amps from memory.

The place these two chains are not similar at all is stage and layering. I’m not sure if its a trick of having better air, but the stage size difference between the bx2 and mini is massive. The bx2 has a vast (for diana at least) stage that allows for propper layering and the Diana’s play within that stage quite well with no noticable dead spots. On the mini, while the imaging was good, the stage felt flat and narrow and as such didn’t have much opportunity to layer. The mini did have better control of over the bass leading to better texture, but I think the bx2 may actualy slam harder with better general presence (won’t say for certain without them next to eachother though)

BX2 Plus vs Mass Kobo 428

The mass kobo is a very low power amp (about 150mw max) but with amazing control and texture. It is the best bass texture I have ever heard on diana and the image clarity is a clear step above the bx2+ and gsx-mini. The real stand out though is the timbre. The timbre of this chain gives me the same kind of “wait, what?” that i have only ever gotten on the raal sr1a (though do note i havent heard susvara). Unfortunateky, the low power comes with some consequences though. While the image clarity is extremely high, the stage is the miniscule (im talking smaller than any iem i own) leading to 0 layering, the bass impact is obviously lacking, and it can push the Diana’s a bit too bright at times leading to fatigue on particularly sibilant or glarey songs. This is all basicly in direct opposition to what the BX2+ does with its large stage, slight loss of texture, and lack of timbral focus (its not bad, but its not mind blowing at all). All that said, the mass kobo is probabaly my favorite setup for diana purely because of that truly amazing timbre and texture, but that may change as I get more ear time on the bx2 (only have about a dozen hours so far)

BX2 Plus Conclusion

Just to reiterate. I dont have the GSX-mini on hand to AB them but the last time i hear it was about 5 days before the bx2 arrives. Over all I am extremely confidant I prefer the diana on the bx2+ over the mini and it is about tied with the mass kobo 428 as even though the 428 has some large downsides due to the low power, the timbre is just astonishing. Overall a very astonishing amp given the fairly low pricing (for a portable amp at least). Im genuinely currious how it stacks up against desktop amps in a similar price range for anyone else that has it.

P6P → Phatlab Phantasy ii → HD800S

The Phatlab Phantasy ii is a portable SET tube amp. Unfortunately, this is my first ever tube amp (hard to find decent ones being predominantly portable) so I can’t say much since I don’t have a proper frame of reference. What I will say is that it has taken my HD800S from in the pile to sell to considering keeping it as my only over ear. I fucking love this setup. While the technicalities are lower than the HD800s on the masskobo they are still quite high IMO. The mids get a hair more body and presence without loosing detail and the bass presence is brought up as well. Its clearly an overly colored sound, but also quite a technical one. I’m sorry I dont realy have the experience to compair this with other tube amps. Something to note is that this amp is SE only even with a 4.4 on the ii model. Its just an SE signal over a balanced plug.

Edit: just as a side note: diana on Phantasy ii sound solid on a quick listen but get extremely fatiguing very quick and maybe even have a slight chanel imbalance in the bass (hd800s+phantasy and bx2+diana are both fine). Not sure what’s going on there.

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Mass kobo 428 for sale. First one I’ve seen come up since I bought mine. Gets a hard recomend from me personaly. Low power but extremely clean and fast. Can be pretty lean, but that tends to be offset by the great tonal density of the P6 Pro

Edit: same site has some phantasy iis for sale as well

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Hot damn do I wish the 428 was just a hair less sharp. Its so fucking detailed, well extended, and just all around fuck off excelent. First was the diana v2 and now the D8000 Pro. It (along with the p6p) realy is the best sq portable experience I’ve ever had, but every once in a while it just decides to drive an ice pick straight through eye socket. Is there seriously just no other portable amps that keep up but have a warmer signature? Because phantasy ii tames the trebble of d8kp nicely but the absurd texture and timbre of the 428 has me coming back again and again dispite the occasional artilary fire it puts off

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Probably the C9 but don’t yow own one?