The EL amp solid-state, the TOR Roger Tube. But I still want to go balanced and try the QES reference.
Have you tried them with those xduoo tube amps the ta 20 looks interesting
I feel like the El amp gets forgotten about because the 789 and Atom exists, but man does it kick ass.
it certainly does, all the time. I love mine. No need to replace mine. Powers everything with ease. I was actually gonna make a topic for it in the Amps section here but didnt get around to it yet.
Just ordered mine on Amazon, and when TF did they add tax? Rip my bank accountđ. Canât wait!
Are these good with listening to music on a phone? Airplane? travel?
Unless youâre using an OTG Dac/Amp then no.
Yes for the last two
Its right up there. They almost did too good a job with the Atom.
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What would bet the closed back step down to the ndh 20? My friend really likes my pair but cant bring himself to pay that much money. Any recommendations?
Find a second hand one.
Got my pair of NDH20 after Jubilee after Beyer ⌠Custom Studio. I like the in-your-face of the jubileeâs but The Neumann are so good. Bass is always there.
My first songs I have played are Pop, Fxxker and My Name by Chamina. Then some michael giacchino medal of honor -> Fleeing the Catacombs is soooooo good but I cant decide if the Jubilees or the NDH are better for classical / my taste in general. Now Portal âSelf Esteem Funâ is playing and this is certainly better. The room / world feels so empty but also hunted because of the space generated by the bass. I guess the Sennheiser Jubilees feel more like great rain. The NDH 20 is a movie. First 3 games I need to replay is Serious Sam The FIrst Encounter, Fear 1 and Half Life 2.
Is the sound still the same? I had a bad cable recently for my as an example and it was super bad. only bass. I would order this cable. The 3m police baton (stiff cable xD ) needs to be replaced when I want to take the NDH with me ^^
It sounds neutral if you listen at quieter volumes, because of how human perception of loudness vs. frequency works. Honestly, all these people posting FR measurements should get their heads out of their asses and start posting multiple (3?) curves for each device, to show how it will sound in quiet/average/loud listening, because the bass will differ a lot. (Or at least when publishing a single curve always mention at what dB_SPL it was measured and how that should be interpreted/extrapolated.)
Subjective is the wrong word, it suggests a purely psychological phenomenon. We should be calling it personal instead. Neutrality in headphones requires adding back all of the personal effects of sound propagation around your personal shoulders, head and outer ear that normally affects open-air sound (a.k.a. your personal HRTF). There is no such thing as âuniversally neutralâ on headphones, not the Harman target, not the Olive-Welti target, none of them. Those are just best-effort population-average curves meant to indicate what FR will sound close to neutral to the largest number of people. But thatâs not neutrality-neutrality for any individual user. Personal HRTF-based solutions are needed for that. (This is also why universal âcorrectionâ solutions like Sonarworks are a joke to me and I always roll my eyes whenever I see someone new promoting them like theyâre some audiophilic gift from the heavens.)
I struggle to find my perfect opinion what sound I prefer - Bassy / or Realistic for most people neutral or a more flat sennheiser jubilee. Beyerdynamic Treble kills my day. Imagine doing video production is already hard with NDH when I imagine how NKHB or other tech YouTuber would master their audio. I heard that Mr Mobile used Bose QC2 for all audio edits in his phone reviews. He could not tell any difference until an other bluetooth headphone came out - I laughed. The bass hits hard with the NDH. It is kinda too much for directly knowing that to EQ up or lower based on the characteristics of the headphone. I still need more burn-in time. The Sennheiser are definitely easier to learn imo. The sparkling parts of some songs are directly noticeable. Treble is great on the S. but I still wonder why some songs like BBoom BBoom by Monoland sparkles much more than other treble heavy songs on NDH - it is a rattle or hi-hat sound.
I never understood why people trust curves and directly base their opinion on it. Imo headphones are used to learn to create the best sound you want to get in songs -> so the best sound for
most people⌠There is no way to show what is great or not - not like for TVs or Monitors with RGB, delta-e under 2 etc. , where you cant argue about good calibration. There is only calibrated, bad and consumer colours. I played some games yesterday. Serious Sam has no bass bleeding out of gun sounds. Fear 1 sounds good. The pin-pointing of enemy locations is harder than the beyerdynamic custom studio I think. Sennheiser Jubilee has razor blade accuracy. I would not sell NDH as a universal studio monitor headphone. Everyone would miss out in the treble range. I want to see someone EQ it.
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âI struggle to find my perfect opinion what sound I preferââŚyep a bit like food and drink then?..want something comfy?..then beer and pizza⌠posh? then escargots Ă la bourguignonne and Pouilly-FuisseâŚquick fix? burger and coke what everâŚtoo much of the same becomes staid and a tad boringâŚbut it keeps use all interested and drives the âHifiâ industry and restaurants 
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Good way to say it. 30 years later and then Bladerrunner is real - maybe. What sound will we like? 10D Audio with Holographic Displays xD
Sign me up!!
WellâŚfor most of it.
AKA how to shoot yourself in the foot, theyâre studio headphones, you donât do monitoring at low volume. 
I believe a bit too much bass is never a problem. Thereâs like a 10dB difference in bass depending on the size or shape of heads. If thereâs too much for you, Iâd try putting them over books for one night to make them clamp less.
Still, +1 for this. Especially for speakers actually. âdo they sound good at low volume?â no way to know if you need to crank them to 80-85db to actually make them sound good.