And the cable of Butastur have name forgot night audio on it!!
Yea it’s Jinny’s workshop.
They use same cables and ear tips.
Looks like Jinny is using BRAS for W10 too.
He’s updating W10 based on Butastur I can see.
My W10 is unvented.
You can go ahead and try W10 if it has BRAS, I’m pretty sure it shall sound a lot better than old version.
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Just spoke with Jinny.
He said those W10 on sale on taobao are prototypes of Butastur’s old tuning🤣
He’s got 3 prototypes leftover on hand for Taobao, so that those won’t be wasted.
We made many prototypes, and those can’t be sold as Butastur, makes sense.
That semi-Butastur is limited to 3, all different tuning, expect BA timbres / thin note weight though.
Those will be last of W10 it seems.
His capacity is already overloaded and he mentioned he no longer intend to continue W10 series going forward.
If you are OK with semi-Butastur, those 3 units are the last of three.
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Ok it’s seems understandable.
I ordered last week at full price to support you and wait for Penon to send to me. I almost got heart attack 
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Those prototypes got different drivers too, good as a collector’s sample, but ultimately it’s for lab clearance sale of backyard prototypes 
WY? I thought the logo the top view of a hawk’s head, beak pointing downwards. Found it pretty cool too
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I couldn’t get a proper fit using H570 on Butastur, so I’m using CP100 instead and wow I can definitely hear more bass now. Just another variation to suit your taste.
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Even with M size or S size or the H570 is too small for your ear?
For SpinFit I recommend to get W1. CP100 alters the sound too much while W1 had a milder alteration.
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I usually use M size for CP100 so I ordered the M and MS size of H570 but I still couldn’t get proper seal. The diameter seems similar to CP100 M size but strangely it felt too big and uncomfortable to my ear. . I’m ordering H570 S size now. Finger crossed.
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Ah, yes, due to larger bore size, the flange materials are weaker on H570 when compared to SpinFit CP100 /CP100+ types.
When you are making decision on ear tip size, it is more important to know how deep it will fit rather than the diameter comparison. For that SpinFit CP100 series’s M are more close to H570’s S to my ears.
Hope H570 S fit to your ear👍
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These are my current pairing with Butasurr.
Altalune Audio Ore Altalune Audio Ore. (I like it more than their more expensive cables)
And Divinius Velvet ear tips. Korea DIVINUS VELVET Eartips for In-Ear Monitor Earphone Black 5 Sizes
They are getting a lot of time in my ear as of late.
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@AmericanSpirit_JP I have an observation, and some subsequent questions.
What I understood while comparing the Butastur with D’s Audio First Heart (single 10mm CNT DD), is that DD bass spreads out more compared to BA bass. The low-end notes generated from a DD seem to have a bigger presence; not quantitatively, but rather the notes are spread over a larger area of the soundstage. Whereas the BA bass of Butastur goes similarly deep, the notes do not sound lean either - they sound well fleshed out, and if anything the textures are more distinctly produced, but the notes do not have a spread-out presence like the DD ones, rather they are more focused in a relatively smaller area.
On the other hand, the mid and treble notes seem to have a bigger and more life-like projection on Butastur compared to First Heart.
Now my question:
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I have not gone to any live performance. I understand in live performance the speakers are all big DD. So do they have a sound response similar to the DD iems? The bass notes sound similarly more spread-out?
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In live performance without involving speakers - how does the whole ensemble sound? Like let’s say a group is performing in open air, with no speakers involved except for the electric/electronic instruments. Drums, Vocals, Acoustic guitars do not have speakers. Electric guitars, synths may have but the volume is matched to the others. How will the drums sound - similar to how Butastur is projecting them?
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Same as above, but the performance is now in a closed studio space. How will the drums sound?
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Ohhh!! That Divinus Velvet is actually the one I’m planning to get when I visit Japan this fall.
Great info, thanks mate👍
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As I used to play at live house, setting up live stage for famous musicians at many music fest, and love attending many EDM clubs (here are some examples of EDM, DJ Tiesto’s world tour that I enjoyed a lot, recorded with my iphone which supposedly should be using Knowles’s driver, pretty hi-quality recording) , this may be a relevant feedback.
For the most of the time, yes loud dynamic speakers are used on stage.
The sound / stage engineers do care a lot for image projection directions, the image perception of live loud speakers are very dynamic feeling. It stimulates all of your body, not only ear canal, so ultimately they sound very very different.
To my impression live music sound simulations are better with tribrid (EST+BA+DD), as on stage we also use tweeters and subwoofers.
For some classical music, they do a conventional pure acoustic only performance and let concert hall’s acoustic camber to play as a natural amp. For those case I do feel dynamic drivers are very close to what you perceive with the concert (yes, for those live concerts, you actually can’t hear very vivid strings, it’s rather elegantly mixed with rest of the sound).
Haha I’ve partially answered above, ensemble will sound more like DD sound, however only exception is cymbals and anything above 10khz, dynamic drivers are not as “live” as real open ensembles would sound, the treble performance are better with EST.
Butastur is designed to reproduce best timbral accuracy and when playing any music , make it as natural as it should be, no harman style “vocal “ in front of anything, or 64 audio style “anti-aliasing “ rounded edge “beautiful “ sound presentation. Some may refer Butastur as qdc style and yes, I’m a huge qdc fan, but it’s not pure qdc as they also do some colorations, you can see qdc / seeaudio / DUNU is coloring resolution and are the followers of “fake-air” 15khz peak, while Butastur kept it natural with BRAS system. So it is surely energetic but at the same time open and natural sounding treble, timbral accurate.
This closes studio is maybe the place I spent more time than on stage or attending live shows.
The closest similarity I can experience is from MEST MKII. UM’s engineers are also studio musicians and he is a drummer himself, so it is no surprise they tuned MEST MKII to sound realistic for closed studio drum performances.
To be honest, it is very exciting, yet extremely fatiguing. I know what to expect from MEST MKII and it is exactly what I wanted. It’s the best 30min friend you can spend time with, and I’m pretty sure it’s causing a hearing loss in a long term sessions.
I also found SoundRhyme SR5 to be very entertaining one for close studio recordings.
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I received my Butastur today.
I am a rock and metal fan, I don’t listen any other music genres, so I need a bit more bass than Butastur to like it.
With a bit of EQ (1 dB, not more) it just sounds great.
I am experimenting with a filter in the vent holes, so they let scape the air but not 100%. It has effect, bass is increased even more than with the switch 1. @AmericanSpirit_JP do you think it may be a problem in the future? They are Tanchjim filters for the nozzle, but I have put them in the vent holes.
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You have misunderstood a key aspect.
When I meant playing live, in open air, I also mentioned No Speakers Involved except for electric guitar and synths
That means no auditorium to act as a passive amplifier. Playing in an open field perhaps. Not playing for a large audience. May be just for a group of people gathered around them.
In such a situation, how will the drums and bass guitar sound? Similar to how they are portrayed by a DD iem, or a BA iem like Butastur?
Dynamic driver
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Penon orange tips are 16mm