I don’t think I’ve ever noticed a hollowness to the 880. Maybe I’m not as sensitive when it comes to that. The Tygrs I kinda wanna tryout but with some of my heavy metal music have a bassy mix so if a headphone is very full sounding it could make the song sound too boomy. The dt880 black se seem to strike a good balance.
That’s one thing I forgot to mention is that the 9600 can get a bit too boomy with some of my music.
I reasoned this was due to my amp setup but I will agree it can strike rather hard
It’s something I picked up rather early on when I initially had sat with the 880s after sitting long with the 990s. I love the 880s but the lacking fullness / body to the sound steers me away from it. You can of course take steps to remedy this through warmer amps or ideally a tube amp as well as some thicker padding but for me I just wasn’t the biggest fan. Hell I found better sound characteristics out of Sundara than I did the 880s while the Sundara I don’t feel is as clinically accurate or a detail monster I felt the sound was better tuned for the signature rather smooth but the issue with that is of course the company…
In the case of the 880 I found better sound qualities out of the HarmonicDyne Helios than I did the 880 themselves again like the sundara not a detail monster but it was more fun to listen to more relaxed and a better sounding low end then again, perhaps I am rather critical on some sounds than I am of others and a relatively lacking bass is a no go as someone who loves his bass tones listening to orchestra(nier soundtrack being one of those) as well as a lot of rock music… I suppose it really depends what your looking for. I switched ot the 1990 since the 990 was too fatiguing and the 880 just wasn’t quite there and sounded rather hollow.
The x2hr is a headphone I haven’t really given a fair shot yet. Last time I heard those I thought they sounded really veiled but I only listened to them for about a couple hours. I’m gonna return the 9600 soon and will probably order the x2hr. A lot of people seem to prefer that headphone and for the price are probably more worth it for most people.
It’s rather nice. I wish the x3 was more similar in that regard. I do have some complaints with it, I have issues with anything as I am rather critical I always see room for improvements lol, such as heat build up, weight, pad swap difficulties, and bass bleed but for a headphone you can find at like $80 - $90 it’s quite nice
Definitely not as tightened up as the 9600
First YouTube review of the SHP9600 I have come across! Josh seems to repeat many of the things you all have been discussing, and gives insight into some other. He seems to be quite critical of the massive price increase, and has a hard time deciding whether to recommend the 9600s over the 9500s.
I own the black DT880 250 ohm and they are one of my two go-to for music (along with the TYGR, though I find myself using the TYGR more and more). I agree with your assessment. The main issue I found is that the highs are a bit much and it makes vocals feel recessed. I need to cut down highs quite a bit with EQ before I find these DT880s usable. I also add some bass. The TYGR doesn’t need nearly as much EQ, and I just need to lower the highs a smidge for it to sound great.
That’s probably what’s gonna steer me to getting the Tygrs instead. Can’t have a slow bass response especially with the music I listen to. 9600 were still pretty tight but they shelved the bass up at the lower mids which can make it a bit boomy but does add some nice fullness.
Josh pretty much feels the same way as us so maybe we’ll see a price drop very soon.
Just watched this, yeah completely agreed here… It’s a bit absurd what they just pulled in my opinion.
Good to see Joshuas review thanks for posting this. He even mentions the material of the pads I mention as they really aren’t a good quality material.
well that’s unfortunately the thing about the seperate tuning of the Black 250 ohm dt 880 as it has the other tuning that is more similar in characteristics of the DT 990 than the regular 880 which means the vocals are indeed recessed. Not a huge deal break but something I thought I should mention.
Sounds like you may have quite a lot of treble sensitivity whch is unfortunate. I don’t encounter any treble issues on tygr at all and 880 is definitely not real harsh in comparison to something like 770 or 990. Though good to hear you enjoy the tygrs. Since you have that issue where you want the increase the bass but decrease the treble on the tygr as well. Perhaps look into the next step being Nighthawk Carbon this is a bassier yet darker sounding headphone which is essentially what you are doing to the tygr when you eq it like that. Quite nice just hard to find headphone.
9600 has some quite lovely bass not gonna lie but I agree with you it can be slightly boomy. Tygr, not so much. It’s tight and controlled but I wouldn’t ever call it boomy or muddy. Just hard as hell to get your hands on though I did get one ordered it’s going to be in this week. Seems best bet for tygrs for now is contacting beyer directly about getting one.
@JJPablo to sit and watch his review and he is practically spot on in agreement with my own assessment is odd but nice to know I am not the only one that feels this way or hears this headphone in the way I am and I was very glad to see he addressed the gamers viewpoint as well.
I agree! I retired my DT990 Pro and plan to sell it to a friend when I get a chance. Everything just had that artificial sounding glare over it. I think the TYGR is just barely annoying me, mostly on tracks with harsh drum cymbals. I have only have dropped the 8k Hz region by about 2db. I do raise mids for both TYGR and DT880 too, to hear vocals better. I don’t add bass to my TYGR, but have considered cutting a couple of the high bass frequencies (centered at 160 Hz) to clean up the sound like I did on my HD579. In the end I decided against it because I didn’t find the TYGR as “muddy” in those frequencies compared to my HD579. Also, doing so made my TYGR sound too similar to my DT880.
To keep the discussion more on topic, Josh’s review has convinced me that I have no need to look into the SHP9600 unless the price drops to something closer to the SHP9500 and if I need to replace my SHP9500. I barely use my 9500 nowadays anyway. I only use it when I am gaming with friends (using a V-Moda Boom Pro).
yeah, it’s not worth it’s current price point in my opinion right now. You can grab shp9500 for like $45-$50 and the 9600 can’t be properly modified. It’s great I like it more than the 9500’s but not to warrant that price tag… not by any means more than my tygrs.
@JJPablo zeos just got the 9600’s as well so I assume that review will be soon. Will he gush about it or will it be the same is anybodys guess.
understandable, since tygrs are slightly recessed as are the black 250 ohm dt 880’s.
Fully convinced the tygrs are either a full on retuned 990 or 880 as you can definitely make the two sound extremely similar to the tygr with some minor adjustments
Beyerdynamic says that it is a retuned 990
Was there actual clarification from them on that? Huh, alright well I was correct then. I had taken my tygr apart and noticed just how similar it was to the 990’s inner workings. With of course minor changes.
@Falenkor There’s this: https://support.beyerdynamic.com/hc/en-us/articles/360009244479-How-does-the-TYGR-300-R-differ-from-the-DT-880-PRO-and-DT-990-PRO-
The TYGR 300 R focuses on gaming and is based on the frequency response of the DT 990 PRO. A powerful bass and detailed accentuated treble go very well with gaming. However, the sound design of the DT 990 PRO has been further optimized for gaming, sometimes through the use of a special acoustic fleece.
Hey can I get some help guys. I have the PEace UI and APO and all that, but I have no idea how to read this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/b09edinwg6tw5vi/Philips%20Fidelio%20X2HR.pdf?dl=0
What am i suppsoed to be tuning on the PEACE GUI, and how do i do so when there seems to be more sliders than there are bands?
At least for me, the easier way is to input the numbers directly. Use the table at the bottom of the document as a reference for the values. Then, for each collum, you can type the Frequency, the Gain, and the Q factor. Also, you can click in the image in the row “filters” and it should show you some options. If you hove the mouse on it, it will say the name of the filter type. Match this name with the equivalent column in the table. In the end, the button in the black rectangle shows you the final EQ curve, and it should roughly match the “EQ Curve Total” you see in the pdf.
Also note the value of “Preamping” that is on the top of the PEACE APO, you have a value for it in the PDF also.
Just click the “+” in the side, near the graph button, and it adds one more column. I will note however that interacting too many filters is complicated and can maybe not affect the sound in a pleasing way IMO.
I also recommend you play with these settings, as this is the fun part of EQ: get a starting point, but play with it to add what you think is missing on your can.
First impressions of SHP9600 by DMS, who disliked the SHP9500. He gives a relatively more positive review based on his first impressions, saying he doesn’t hate it. He also says a full review is on the way.
I mean, I don’t think people will hate it per say, it’s really not bad at all. The issue is that it’s not a big enough improvement to warrant 3 times the price point of the shp9500 or if you bought new it’s still 2 times more. Even DMS makes the comment that it’s still a bit much on the price point much like I said. I do like the SHP9600 if it was cheaper I would own it, especially if we had pad swap adapters for it.
Seems this is going to be a pretty common agreement with this particular headphone as I have the same thoughts as the others on this one…
@Ohmboy already posted by @jharismaiden lol
Not the first time i’ve been guilty of doing the double post thing 
lol
2 weeks with the SHP 9600 and listening to it everyday and i maintain my opinions. For me, it’s better than X2HR, SHP9500 and my previous Takstar Pro 82 in every way.
I’ve paid $98 on it. At that price point it is incredible, especially if you are someone that live outside US and does not have acess to a bunch of other headphones and good prices.
