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Glad to hear! I also own a Hiby R5 and I have a TP on the way, can’t wait to get it!

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Ha ha. I think you have it backwards?

FH3, the soundstage KING. EDIT: I wasn’t serious when making this comment. This was Zeos’ basic description of the FH3.

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I actually find the soundstage to be pretty big. But its not a king lol.

What?

Not according to my ears! I find FH3 has pretty nice frontal imaging depth, but overall a small soundstage size. TP are open-back(right?), so I don’t think FH3 has a chance here!

I wouldn’t classify a breather hole as open-back to be fair. The size of the hole is about the same as those on the Moondrop Starfield.

I haven’t heard Starfield, but I’ve heard they are really good for gaming(just like the TP), so that would correlate. The hole on the Timmkoo C630 is also small, but I think it’s enough to make a big change, similarly.

What I mean is that a breather hole is not something that even comes close to what is essential for an open-back headphone. The size of the outlet is like one pixel. It’s like if you would take one single hole in the whole net of the back of a HD600 and call that an open-back, lol.

Well, I’m not comparing headphones, but IEMs. If one has no mesh hole, but just a pinhole or 2 in the shell, I’d call it closed. If it’s got a significant mesh opening directly out the back, I’d call open, or semi-open.

Not to mine either. But I found it quite interesting that of all the FH3’s strengths, Zeos finds the FH3 to have soundstage larger than the HD 800. I found it really funny you and Zeos describe the FH3 completely opposite one another.

No.

As far as the soundstage size? He says the imaging sucks? :\ I would equate the FH3 to a closed-back headphone for sure lol.

Can we agree on semi-open back? I’ve never heard something like the iSine, totally open o_o But surely there’s a big difference in openness, even with an opening of this size. Unless it’s just a mesh, outside of a closed shell, and not an opening at all.

ok, I thought you were still using the dayton mic. But your graph on it is still very missleading with the treble area…

Ha ha, no. All IEMs have venting with dynamic drivers. It doesn’t make them ā€œopen backā€.

Funny thing is that Fiio Is using that term for their FD5.

Personally I would consider the FD5 to be semi-open with that amount of venting, but all IEMs with dynamics need venting to allow air to move properly. It doesn’t make them open-back.

This is an open-back IEM…
audeze

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yeah, DD“s need a vent.

Although there are some vented BA“s, but not all of them need a vent right? Like the Audiosense T800 has a vented BA for the bass, but doesnt have a vent on the shell.

Personally, for inner-ear comfort and when any air is moving within the IEM, there should be venting. If there isn’t sufficient venting to allow the air to flow, suction might pull on the listeners inner-ear. The dynamic also may seize. BA’s are less susceptible to this happening because they don’t move as much air as a dynamic driver.

yeah, I agree. I cant stand non-vented iems, the pressure is very uncomfortable.

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OK, I can agree to consider the TP not open-back or semi-open, since it only has the mesh hole, and no other pinhole vents(like so many IEMs have). ;p BUT… I still think the location and size of that vent causes a significant increase in soundstage, compared to shells with pinholes that are not facing directly out of the ear. Otherwise, why would it sound so much more spacious…? :5 Wait, doesn’t the TP have three holes? The mesh vent, and 1 hole at each screw…?

the soundstage is nothing special on it.

putting it mildly…

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