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Glad to hear! I also own a Hiby R5 and I have a TP on the way, canā€™t wait to get it!

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Ha ha. I think you have it backwards?

FH3, the soundstage KING. EDIT: I wasnā€™t serious when making this comment. This was Zeosā€™ basic description of the FH3.

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I actually find the soundstage to be pretty big. But its not a king lol.

What?

Not according to my ears! I find FH3 has pretty nice frontal imaging depth, but overall a small soundstage size. TP are open-back(right?), so I donā€™t think FH3 has a chance here!

I wouldnā€™t classify a breather hole as open-back to be fair. The size of the hole is about the same as those on the Moondrop Starfield.

I havenā€™t heard Starfield, but Iā€™ve heard they are really good for gaming(just like the TP), so that would correlate. The hole on the Timmkoo C630 is also small, but I think itā€™s enough to make a big change, similarly.

What I mean is that a breather hole is not something that even comes close to what is essential for an open-back headphone. The size of the outlet is like one pixel. Itā€™s like if you would take one single hole in the whole net of the back of a HD600 and call that an open-back, lol.

Well, Iā€™m not comparing headphones, but IEMs. If one has no mesh hole, but just a pinhole or 2 in the shell, Iā€™d call it closed. If itā€™s got a significant mesh opening directly out the back, Iā€™d call open, or semi-open.

Not to mine either. But I found it quite interesting that of all the FH3ā€™s strengths, Zeos finds the FH3 to have soundstage larger than the HD 800. I found it really funny you and Zeos describe the FH3 completely opposite one another.

No.

As far as the soundstage size? He says the imaging sucks? :\ I would equate the FH3 to a closed-back headphone for sure lol.

Can we agree on semi-open back? Iā€™ve never heard something like the iSine, totally open o_o But surely thereā€™s a big difference in openness, even with an opening of this size. Unless itā€™s just a mesh, outside of a closed shell, and not an opening at all.

ok, I thought you were still using the dayton mic. But your graph on it is still very missleading with the treble areaā€¦

Ha ha, no. All IEMs have venting with dynamic drivers. It doesnā€™t make them ā€œopen backā€.

Funny thing is that Fiio Is using that term for their FD5.

Personally I would consider the FD5 to be semi-open with that amount of venting, but all IEMs with dynamics need venting to allow air to move properly. It doesnā€™t make them open-back.

This is an open-back IEMā€¦
audeze

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yeah, DDĀ“s need a vent.

Although there are some vented BAĀ“s, but not all of them need a vent right? Like the Audiosense T800 has a vented BA for the bass, but doesnt have a vent on the shell.

Personally, for inner-ear comfort and when any air is moving within the IEM, there should be venting. If there isnā€™t sufficient venting to allow the air to flow, suction might pull on the listeners inner-ear. The dynamic also may seize. BAā€™s are less susceptible to this happening because they donā€™t move as much air as a dynamic driver.

yeah, I agree. I cant stand non-vented iems, the pressure is very uncomfortable.

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OK, I can agree to consider the TP not open-back or semi-open, since it only has the mesh hole, and no other pinhole vents(like so many IEMs have). ;p BUTā€¦ I still think the location and size of that vent causes a significant increase in soundstage, compared to shells with pinholes that are not facing directly out of the ear. Otherwise, why would it sound so much more spaciousā€¦? :5 Wait, doesnā€™t the TP have three holes? The mesh vent, and 1 hole at each screwā€¦?

the soundstage is nothing special on it.

putting it mildlyā€¦

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