TH-X00/TR-X00/E-MU Teak/Denon biodynamic general discussion

I finally got my hands on a pair of AGH “Ori” sheepskin earpads, the one that’s been recommended here a few times before, and while I was very pleased with the quality and comfort, I have to admit I didn’t like the change in sound too much.

The extra distance from the drivers actually made the vocals more enjoyable for me overall, I was impressed, mind you that I’m using it with an X00 Mahogany, and I will do another test run with ebony cups and Lawton tune-up when they arrive. However, it also made the treble a bit too sharp for my liking, and my biggest problem is that the bass is not even nearly as punchy as it is with the stock pads. It’s there, and it’s clean, but unless we’re talking about an extremely bass-heavy music, it doesn’t have the same roar as it does with stock pads. If I had just one less problem with it, I would have considered it a completely viable alternative to the stock pads, there are even some tracks that I like a bit more with the AHG pads, but on the other hand there are quite a lot that lose all their spark with it. As it currently stands, I would consider it very noticably inferior. Making the change hurts exactly where the X00 supposedly outshines its competition, and that begs the question why even bother, then? I wouldn’t put them in the same league.

By the way, I used it with a pair of home-made attenuation rings. I even spent some extra time making two pairs, one that matches the shape of the original rings and one that matches the shape of the AGH pad’s hole. I wouldn’t recommend going with anything other than the stock attenuation rings’ shape lol

I didn’t either, when I used the Ori pads it made everything sound very hollow. I went back to using the Dekoni X00 pads w/ attenuation rings. I’m still A/B testing between the Dekoni vs stock pads.

Hello,
When you have buy this Pads

Try to buy a pair of the Attunion rings from Dekoni and fit it.
After this you can be sure is near to the Original pads.
I have try this pair of pads without the Rings,and was disapoint in the first step.
At first i don‘t understand it why because same guys here say’s very good Pads and all.After inread the Post about the Rings i fit it and all was be fine.
I have the Tr x00 Mahagony too,and say the true.:smile:.
Compared this with other pads who i have try it is not the same.
They are the best Pads who comes really really near to the original pads when you use the Dekoni Attunion rings with it.
When you live in Europe check Elektromod.uk it cost with shipping 19£.
I have give the Order last Sunday and recived it thursday.
I don’t knok what is the secret from the rings but it good.Make selfmade is difficult,the thikness must be the same of the Dekoni,the cut,the position,is not easy.

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What did you make your rings out of? As far as u can tell the best material is a soft/flexible plastic that us about 1/2 mm thick. Also like you said, the stock hole shape is best. I’m actually going to make a new set of rings out of Ovaltine tin lids tomorrow to see how it changes the sound.

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Are you planning on making a full ring or just a half crescent?

I used the lid of an old ice cream container, so it shouldn’t be all that different from the stock ring.

I tried moving it around to see how much the positioning can make a difference, and both of you were correct, it does seem like I didn’t make as good a job as I had thought, and it doesn’t stay in place at the perfect spot. It did improve the bass slightly when I fixed that.
Still, what I’m hearing even now pretty much matches my original problem, only to a lesser degree, exactly like how fireWire87 described it, it sounds hollow.
It’s certainly not as bad as I wrote in my original comment, though, but it’s still not good enough to consider switching over to, and that is considering that I find the stock pads mildly irritating.

I will give them another try tomorrow, just in case my ear can get used to it.

Maybe try these. They are more comfortable that the stock pads since they are real leather and memory foam and sound about as close to stock as any of the pads I’ve tried have come, though I personally like the slightly wider more open sound of the Ori pads. (Sadly they are currently unavailable on Amazon)

Like you said, positioning is pretty important. The rings I made have the hole about 1 or 2 mm farther forward than the stock pads. The back portion of the ring should just slightly cover the foam ring around the driver (like 4 mm). From what I’ve seen on other forums while researching pads swapping for the X00s, the thicker material used for the rings, the more bass, but I don’t know if it affects the treble. That’s what I plan to test tomorrow with the Ovaltine tin lids.

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Keep us updated when you receive your cups and tuning kit which should fix your treble issues. You might want to also consider the Dekoni X00 pads if comfort is an issue with the stock pads. Its only slightly larger in width and uses memory foam which lets it retain a lot of the stock pad sound qualities. Paired with the Dekoni rings compared to stock there wasn’t a real noticeable reduction in bass at all.

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I can say so much about the rings.
My wife scanned such a dekoni ring and tried to imitate it on the plotter.
The film that was used was only 0.25 mm thick.
Measured on the original dekoni ring, the thickness was 0.45 mm.
The plotter really messed up the print. The cut was not good. And in general it was a waste of time. It was probably a little bit of everything. The thickness of the film was not enough, certain settings on the plotter itself.
Since they only cost £ 9 and £ 10 for shippingcoast for outside the country. I said come until we experimented around. Are the rings there and don’t have to annoy me or have doubts in the end.
Obviously, this is a sensitive issue, and the headphones themselves are also very sensitive if you take it seriously.
Then everything can quickly sound different than you would have expected.
In the end, it is still a matter of taste for the listener.
I only know that I do not know the other pads and although I could have ordered them I thought come and take them where you ordered them the first time.
They were so good for me that I didn’t want anything else, so I ordered 2 sets again for the D2000 and a new as replacement.
It is also important to give yourself some time to listen - it sometimes takes time for the ear to get used to it.
If the rest fits.

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Yeah i did that once too. Something about these headphones are really fantastic. I should quite stalling and send them in to Lawson mods

I would just order the cups and install it all yourself. I’m no craftsman and I was able to do the driver side mod with no problems. The cups come off with 4 screws and go back on fairly easily. Just make sure not to drop the screws inside the frame. That’s a pain to deal with, but pretty much the only real “danger” in doing it yourself.

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I made the new attenuation rings out of ovaltine lids today and so far my first impressions are VERY good. I’ve only listened to a few songs so far, but the treble and mids seem to be about the same as the first rings I made, or at least I haven’t noticed any chang yet, but the sub bass seems to be way up. I’ve been feeling the sub bass rumbles in my chest in songs like “Oh Mama” by Run the Jewels.

Here are some pictures with measurements if you want to try these for yourself.


These kinds of lids

Blue is the originals (about .4mm thick) and the brown is the ovaltine lid ( about .8mm thick)

100mm across

58mm tall

38mm wide

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That’s awesome. I love that you decided to make your own rings.

Well done. :+1:t4:

The Ovaltine lids are super easy to cut with an exacto knife, you get a bunch of chocolate milk, and the sub bass is killer now. This is obviously the best way to get attenution rings for the X00s.

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Plus they’re chocolaty smooth. :yum:

Hello,
Can you messure the thikness from your ovomalitine?
The Dekoni have 0,45 mm but i don’t know what for matrial from the plastic it are.
It give many sort of plastic.
The plastic must it be flexible not hart i think,because the virbration and the impact.

That sub bass is definitely chocolatey smooth. I’m actually quite surprised at how big a difference the thickness if the rings makes. About .8mm thick seems to be great for dat T H I C K B A S S!!!

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It’s about .8mm thick and us a very nice soft flexible plastic. It works great from the trstingbive done so far.

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yes maybe still possible.
It would be good to know how the thickness of the rings changes the frequency, or whether something is changing in terms of measurement technology.
I think Dekoni did it too, but only with the pads you manufacture and have taken a mediocre somewhere.
I was very surprised when I bought the accessory pads as the difference is with and without a ring.
Speaking of which pads do you have? Would also be important for the imitation :laughing:.
Stupidly asked, it would also be enough if you made a square instead of round and fixed it with double-sided adhesive tape when you had determined the position, right?
or is round better?
Maybe I’m a bit too perfectionistic, I’m already thinking about how to cut the circle more beautifully, grrr … :grin:To make it fit better in the seat of the pad, so you don’t necessarily cut through sharp edges, if you understand it may just be a prototype :sweat_smile:.

I use ZMF Pro lambskin pads. The only difference from the AHG pads is a bit is the Ori pads are a bit thicker.

As long as the rings are 100mm in diameter they will not move around on the pads. If you look at the pictures I posted you can figure out the hole possition with the ruler.

The only real change I’m noticing is the pretty substantial boost in the sub bass (below 50hz). Otherwise it seems to be the same as with the thinner blue rings I was using be for. I’m going to keep testing over the next few days but my first impressions from tonight are all positive.

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