šŸ”¶ Tin P1 - Planar IEM

If youā€™re from the U.S. and this is your first time ordering directly from China, this shipping timeline is pretty much the standard. Weā€™re lucky that Linsoul provided a tracking number that actually tracks packages accurately. I donā€™t know how many times Iā€™ve sweated out waiting for items purchased through eBay & AliExpress with a tracking number that virtually gives you no information, but will magically appear on your doorstep several weeks later.

I was apart of the Super Early Bird (shipped on 6/28). My P1ā€™s were held in Customs at LAX from 7/2 - 7/6; received by DHL on 7/8; left DHL to No. California on the 10th. I should get these by tomorrow. If it werenā€™t for the holiday, I probably wouldā€™ve had these on Tues 7/9 at the earliest.

I was on the early bird special and chose expedited shipping. They told me that they were late for my order; ā€œrunning extremely slowā€ was how they worded it. I ordered within 30 minutes of them going on sale. I had already been waiting on them and was on the list for Linsoul to order.

Youā€™re right. Iā€™m waiting it out man! Just pretty excited to see how they sound! Waiting for a good update everyday! lol

expedited as in DHL etc? if you paid for that extra then you should be able to get a refund for the shipping at least. You might need to check their terms and policies on the site to see if shipping dates are only estimates etc. You know the normal try and get out of responsibility stuff.

Canā€™t do much about much else. They shipped it the 28th. So they did meet that deadline.

Maybe take a look at your shipping info and see where the delay was. Iā€™ll take a bet it was on the handing over to Hong Kong customs. Which might not be listed. It might just say ā€œhanded over to airlinesā€ or something like that and then a few days wait.

The Chinese government likes to do random checks on stuff. They pull a few hundred random boxes and check them thoroughly. Sometimes it takes them a few days to get through them all and before they get returned to the shipping airline.

Iā€™ve had stuff stopped like that before for a week. Thatā€™s the basic lowdown I was given by a couple of large companies in China.

Will a fiio btr3 be enough to power these?

I will reference my previous comment to answer your question.

Basically the answer is no.

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A quick update on amping theseā€¦whilst waitning for my Topping NX4 to arrive i thought id have a play with my MPOW BH045A bluetooth amp and guess whatā€¦it drives them perfectly to deafening levels and whats more, since its not s neutral amp the little warmth and bass lift it gives is perfect!
Not sure all the MPOW varients have the same bass lift so your mileage may vary but its certainly a cheap option to consider.
I actualy prefer the P1 through the MPOW than direct from my Walkman.

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Thanks for the input

I have no idea what the output power of that specific mpow is, so I canā€™t say if that is normal or not.
As far as I know they hit around the 20-30 mw into 32ohm. But I could be wrong and I am not going to spend hours looking for a datasheet right now. It is too nice of a weekend.

That depends what you define personally as deafening and what you expect cleanly.
80 db? 90 db? 100db? 115db?
Technically all of those could cause permanent damage to your hearing, it just depends how long you listen for. Everyone also has different opinions on what is too loud when they are not told what db they are listening to and how dangerous it is.
Tests have shown that some people think 100 db is loud and others (especially those with younger ears), think 80 db is loud.

There is also the way your ear protects you from high volumes to take into consideration while also amplifying softer volumes.
An interesting way to see this contrast is to put both earpieces in, find a volume you think is a good listenable volume. Then take one earpiece out.
It should sound markedly softer. This might make you crank up the volume without you realizing that in actual fact you were already at a listenable volume.
If you were say at 80db you could now be at 90 db in one ear, and yes the difference can be that drastic.

Another way to test a similar concept is to again find a listenable volume, then crank it up a bit louder. Something you might consider rock out volume. You will slowly get used to it and it will no longer be as loud as you originally perceived it to be. Then after you have reached that point, turn it back to the original volume. It will now sound much softer than it originally did because your ears were closing up to block some of the sound.

So loudness is very subjective, unless you bring a physical device in to measure the ā€œrealā€ loudness.

Completely separately to all of that. Studies have also shown that certain frequencies are perceived as being much louder at lower volumes than other frequencies when the volume is reduced.

For example, on an amp if you were to set the volume to 80/100 and that was a good volume to listen at. Everything is relatively even sounding, no sound stood out unless it was meant to.
Now drop that to 50/100.
Subjectively lower bass frequencies as well as the vocal range can seem not as reduced as the higher frequencies.
This has to do with your brain essentially looking for things in the now reduced volume. Specifically the human vocal range and thumping lower end. Evolutionary reasons for it.
Although this does not play into something being too loud, it is something interesting to know.

What does matter however is amping things correctly.
An example would be the fostex T20/40/50rp
All of which could technically be ran from a phone to listening ish levels.
However the frequency ranges that are harder to drive will not be resolved correctly due to their being reduced power.

Since I donā€™t have an mpow on hand I canā€™t test it to see if any of this plays into it.
On one hand we also have one person saying they have to ā€œmax it out to get any sort of volumeā€ (which as you can imagine from a clean power point of view is not good), and on the other someone saying it is deafening.
We also donā€™t know what mpow @josh_porter is using and whether that one simply has less power or if it is the same as yours and your opinions are just different perhaps due to one of the reasons I listed above.

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Thatā€™s interesting! :+1:
Maybe we need a thread for this.
Maybe called ā€œthe sound of scienceā€. (ā€¦crickets chirping)

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That is a legitimately good idea.
I am a bit busy today, but I will make a thread later in the afternoon or evening. I will have to do a lot of content for it and probably link some research papers that are probably going to be a pain to find again. But I will see what I can do.

This is a level 10 dad joke. Itā€™s a good music jokeā€¦but oh god it is so bad.

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Yes. The es100 will drive these.

Es100 will work well. Try them balanced. Itā€™ll eat up the battery, but worth it.

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I have been trying the ES100 with the P1s on 2.5 balanced and find that it just gives you decent volume and no moreā€¦ Not really what you are after for these headphones IMO, could do with something with a little more juice.

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Co-signing on this. Running balanced made the sub-bass worst. Iā€™m running with 3.5mm High Performance Mode (2x Current) and itā€™s adequate (mind you, itā€™s not bad/awful, the ES100 powers them fine ā€¦ itā€™s just adequate).

Did you try double current on the balanced 2.5mm? Iā€™ve not had a reason to do that yet so was just curious as to impressions of the mode and how it works with this earphone as I was curious about picking one up.

I received mine today, and unfortunately they appear to be defective: volume from the right channel was nonexistent initially. Fiddling with the cable at the connection to the right ear piece I could get some volume, which would fade away as the cable moved back into its original position. Tried multiple cables (both balanced and 3.5mm) from existing buds and experienced the same issue. Mine were rolling around in the box when I unpacked them so possibly a transit issue.

Iā€™m not having a pop art Tin Hifi or Linsoul, and will be contacting them directly tomorrow. I havenā€™t seen any similar issues reported so Iā€™m chalking it up to bad luck at the moment. Iā€™ll update once I hear back from Linsoul on what they can do to resolve the issue.

Really disappointing to hear that packaging issue still exists. Was a problem with the pre-release version too.

I havenā€™t because of the advisory warning about using that mode with low impedance headphones (only for headphones above 300 ohms). Maybe someone else is bold enough to give it a try and report back!

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Can anyone who has received their P1 tell me this, can the P1 be driven by smartphone? I dont have a DAP, my phone is Samsung Galaxy Note 9.