True that. I deal with Enterprise-class servers that can take up to 25 minutes to fully boot. But these things are multiple Terabyte monsters rocking 2 or more GPUs, so I get it. But still, that’s a while! It’s something you need to take into consideration when planning maintenance or changes.
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We all remember how, particularly with ZEN the first boot could take a minute. They’re making some big changes with 7000. We’ll have to see if for whatever reason that first boot issue comes back to haunt AMD.
Yeah a lot of people have been telling me not to get an ASRock for that was the time when I was looking for a new B550 Motherboard for I was using an old B450M motherboard back then and needed a decent one for future upgrades. ASRock was in my mind back then particularly the Steel Legend, glad I dodged a bullet for I went with MSI’s MPG B550 Gaming Plus (they are not any better for sure, since GN covered them and tackle their shady shit.) But it’s still better than ASRock’s for sure.
I don’t think ASRock really has inherently bad boards, just not as big of a name or as flashy as others. They’re BIOS/UEFI just isn’t set up quite as well. Look up AHOC. He’s covered his irritations with the X370 Taichi purely because of that, otherwise, if I recall, he described the VRM to be over engineered. They tend to be fairly decent at that, though their software design can leave a bit to be desired. Nothing to break it like Intel’s Arc drivers, but enough it can be a touch irritating.
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Personally the issue i find with ASRock is not their hardware to be the issue for the most part. It’s their behavior they have had some pretty shady/Anti-consumer stuff in the past: Not respecting RMAs, blacklisting reviewers who had criticized them and that sort of stuff. Other brands are not saints by any stretch but i find that ASRock is the most egregious of the bunch
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Ehhhhh… I don’t know. Asus didn’t have a stellar track record, particularly pushing off the whole “our motherboards are catching fire”, refusing to accept proof there are boards outside the range that are affected until they catch fire, ect.
Gigabyte lost all the RMAs they had, straight up accused reviewers exposing their dangerous products of fabrication and conspiring to distroy the company’s reputation, but that their customer service has ever been stellar.
MSI has their own issues. Buying awards, can’t seem to figure out how to design a case without torching the components inside, trying to control reviews and buy off or intimidate reviewers into not giving negative reviews, scalping their own graphics cards
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Absolutely true, that being said ASRock is one of the biggest offndeds of them actively trying to hide ide it or blacklisted youtubers for that stuff (with the expection of Gigabyte ), how a company handles its fuck-ups is a big part of it
But to be fair, its like arguing who is the dumbest kid in a group of morons…
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Reviewers aren’t entitled to samples, and I’ve shown an example of MSI trying to use money to make a bad review go away. In the most recent issue with ASUS, they did try to use more covert means of covering things up by trying to get Jayztwocents to surrender a pinned comment on his video about the recall of their motherboard
Did they really, though? How many people really make it that far down? The majority of people that watch videos can’t even be bothered to read the part of the video description that’s readily visible, never-mind having to do the work of scrolling down to look at a comment. And disregarding that, Jay’s first video blasted them pretty hard and made it sound like they hadn’t done anything about the boards just because the govt hadn’t issued a formal recall. Given that, them asking for a pinned comment wasn’t completely unreasonable.
If they made it to the comment section, then YES.
But how many people that watch the video will go down to the comments is what I’m asking. 50%? 30%? 75%? 10%? I certainly don’t know. I don’t have access to Jay’s YT metrics, but if you look right now there are 271,338 views and 1,536 comments. The most liked comment has 824 likes, and I only saw 5 comments with over 100 likes. Now, you could certainly argue that there are people that go look at the comments without interacting at all themselves. And I believe myself, because I’ve done it plenty of times. But how many of the remaining people that watched the video but left no definitive interaction in the comments section went to the comments?
And even disregarding all that, ASUS still voluntarily pulled every affected board from retailers, put out notices to affected customers, and still have an ongoing RMA. If it was really as bad as Jay is making out like it is, don’t you think that someone like Gamers Nexus would have gotten wind of it and started digging by now, more than six months later? Cause I know he covered it back when the issue first got noticed.
Now, here’s the next question you need to ask…what’s the difference here between this situation and the Fractal Torrent situation? Both fire hazards, both did voluntary recalls, but one got praised and the other is getting slammed. Now, Jay says that people contacted him like crazy telling him that ASUS’ recall was bogus. But he can’t find any of the e-mails. One would think that would be a pretty big deal, and he would have either saved & separated those e-mails, or spoken out about it before now. But he did neither. He also says he’s seen it from people on reddit, but he gave no links to said posts. Now, to be clear and get this out in the open, I’m not trying to call Jay a liar. But he can get caught up in drama fairly easily, despite his claims to want no part of it. And there are no shortage of people who dislike ASUS enough to claim ASUS was screwing them over while offering zero proof.
Now, is that 100% what’s happening? I don’t know. I’m not omniscient. But given that we heard absolutely nothing about this from mid-January till a few days ago, if I had to put money on it, I’d say that no news was good news. As for the activation of the govt recall, Jay likely hit the nail on the head when he said that there were still more of the affected boards out in the wild than ASUS was happy with, so they activated it. If it turns out that I’m wrong, and I need to eat crow, I’ll come back and do that. But until I see some proof of actual maliciousness on their part, and not just legal speak in something they knew would be shared publicly, I don’t buy it.
I’d say about fourth place behind MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte.
Nvidia all the time and arguably this blast from the past.
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Forgot about the ASUS laptop, and didn’t know about the Nvidia thing, though it doesn’t surprise me. I remember there being a whole debacle around Hairworks, though I can’t recall the exact details. All the same, I did remember the others, and pointed them out earlier.
Hairworks being tesselation-hell, and the over-tesselated concrete barriers in that one Batman game nobody cared about, and the hidden water physics happening, etc.
TL;DR The tech industry is a lying bunch of bastards.
I don’t know that I’d say it’s all lies. There are some truths sprinkled in.
You can also say to high-fidelity audio as well, hell it can be said to every business that is existing at the moment. It’s rare nowadays for companies to provide transparency to their customers and even full blown honesty, because money + greed = fuck your honesty, because I want your money, because that’s how the world is being ran.
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Anyone ready for mainstream (not HEDT or limited run boards) topping $1300? Holy fuck!
Early adopter tax is a bitch 
Also dont forget about DDR5 pricing as well
Now is a good time to sit back and wait a year or two
All the same… The cost of parts is nuts… I’m probably going to just upgrade my first gen Ryzen system to 5000 series and forgo Zen 4 cause of those prices…