IEM discussion thread (Part 1)

Thanks, I’ll take a look at them

No problem. :+1:

would like to trade my Thieaudio Clairvoyance for somebody’s Monarch if anyone is interested (within the EU) :slight_smile:

Looking for thoughts on the JH Angie ii if anybody has heard it.

Tin T5 review by Prime Audio Reviews

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@shenzhenaudio
Maybe you should fix your ridiculous 4PX shipping instead of spamming social media.
This forum isn’t your discord.

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Is this your revenge on us that we are stopping to provide review samples to you? I haven’t shared any spam link at this forum, just keep active, anything wrong? I’m sorry if there’s any offense.

No. I bring it up because you use a ghetto delivery service without giving buyers an option and we were talking about it less than 24hours ago

Interesting you would flat out say you stopped since you never said that to ME directly.
A8<<< I bought and praised
S8<<< I bought and praised
KxxS <<< I bought and praised
Kanas Pro <<< I bought and praised
SSR <<< I bought and SLAMMED
I paid express and you shipped 4px.
Review posted before your snail mail reached me.

You were never of any support, don’t insult my wallet. I paid. Your crap item sits wrapped (see above pic with your comment in background)
LOL at a company rep trying to shade an influencer who did not kiss their ass.

Not only are you one of the few companies to SPAM HiFiguides (This is not Headfi)
You also shit talk reviewers not on your team.

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It’s illuminating enough when fellow hobbyists vet sellers for me (and reveal it in forum discussions), but it’s equally as nice when a vendor shows their ass on the forums and makes it even easier for me to decide with whom I will NOT be doing business.

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Listen, we are here to share knowledge about our audio hobby with other people. One thing I (and most users here I guess), DON’T want is companies to try and sell us their products.

The only thing you can get from this is a bad reputation. My suggestion is to close your account and stop selling your products here.

@M0N FYI as one of our admins here; I think it would be beneficial, if companies were told to stay away by you guys.

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Whilst I agree that company reps should only really be available in a helpful capacity rather than sending links/suggestions/images to people to promote a product. I disagree with being aggressive in how to respond to them, if you don’t like the way they are in the forums, flag it to the mods rather than tackling them head on IMO. (Not saying that Shenzhen wasn’t wrong in their response either btw)

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NEVER!!! :slight_smile:

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If someone is willing to trade, do it! Monarch > Clair.

Wouldn’t know, haven’t heard the Monarch. I legitimately LOVE the Clair, I just wish they had more of that sub-bass rumble. Everything from the midbass above is b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l

Or maybe I should just buy another - cheaper - set of IEMs just for bass-indulgence
The Mangird Tea? What’s the consensus on sub-bass kings (that are ~300 or below)?

The Monarch is my favorite IEM out of my collection. It is also my bass king. At times with certain recordings I’ll even admit it’s a bit much at times but it becomes addictive. I miss it when I listen to anything else, so it’s ruining me for other more balanced IEMs. The Monarch has a clearer and much more detailed midrange than the Clair and a perfect treble FR with no harshness, all with an impressive soundstage. My only gripe is the shell size. I’m thinking about having my ears surgically altered to match the Monarch shell. :wink:

The Tea is IMO a mini-Monarch, but it doesn’t have as extreme of a sub bass shelf. It does the mid clarity with a sub bass focus with non-offensive treble like the Monarch but not as extreme. If you already have the Clair, I’d hold off for the Monarch and I’d skip the Oracle. My 2 cents.

The Monarch & Clair are not as similar as many might think. I feel they are quite different.

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Not selling my Clair. There’s not as much hi-fi buyers within the EU (thanks, brexit!) and the customs gamble is always gruesome. I can wait around another six months, there’s bound to be a new bass king in the coming months
There always is

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That sounds like a great idea. I know the urge to want to hear something different just for the sake of getting to hear it is huge, but if you enjoy the Clair as much as you do, you’d probably regret letting it go when you no longer had it in hand.

I learned that lesson years ago heavily regretting selling some guitars I owned.

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Exactly! Appreciate what you have, people :slight_smile:

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Somewhat put me in a hard spot here lol.

So personally I’m not immediately opposed to company reps being here if they are reasonable, so I’d like to give some MoT a chance when they join, but if it starts to become spam (somewhat like this situation now) then I think it’s justified to shut that down (hifigo was banned for this exact reason lol)

I will say I get a bit irked when I see company accounts reply to help threads or posts trying to “recommend” or promote a specific product to someone looking for advice, as imo that’s basically just trying to sell not help, and I don’t like the idea of exploiting people just looking for help. Examples of that here or here

Also not a fan of posts without context that just interrupt a discussion for no good reason either from a company account. Examples of that here or here (seriously what does this even add to the discussion besides something I have to scroll past?)

And I don’t like a company account promoting specific reviews either as that also feels more like a promotion tool than anything for their products. Examples of that here or here

I will mention I’m more supportive of company accounts for actual manufacturer or maker since they can provide more insight about their own products and offer deeper technical assistance if needed (it also inherently limits their ability to shill down to generally a few specific products if that ends up happening), where personally I see less value in a company account for a storefront or shop as imo the only real worthwhile thing they can offer is perhaps notifications on deals and discounts or new product arrival but that’s all general information you can easily find yourself and it doesn’t really need to be posted on a forum imo, as that honestly can become clutter.

The reason I say this is somewhat in a hard place for me is that I don’t like to be selective, I don’t know if it’s necessarily fair to allow some company accounts over others as that will bias the forum toward one way eventually (probably). But I kinda also think it’s very reasonable to disallow those who decide to use the platform for basically advertising and keep MoT who don’t do that.

I somewhat agree with what people have said so far, but I’m a bit more lenient than others, so I would suggest you try and limit what you post to meaningful and insightful content @shenzhenaudio. In the end while I or the other mods would end up pressing the actual button, it’s really the community here that will get you banned, so if you end up pissing them off again there’s a likely chance you won’t be allowed to participate here anymore

Perhaps if I had to lay down some unofficial guidelines

(For my personal beliefs on the purpose of a MoT at least)

Retailers/businesses/MOT should not post in help requests or promote their products to someone looking for advice.

Retailers/businesses/MOT can offer assistance when it comes to direct questions about their store/brand/service

Retailers/businesses/MOT should not send unsolicited direct/private messages to members

Retailers/businesses/MOT should not post or promote other reviews

Retailers/businesses/MOT should not create topics for products, and should not specifically bring up previously undiscussed products, but can respond to give meaningful information about new products if it has not been posted already

Retailers/businesses/MOT should limit their posts to meaningful content that’s goal is mainly to inform and explain, and not promote or attack, and spam will not be tolerated

Retailers/businesses/MOT should disclose who they are when discussing products they interact with or are associated with

Retailers/businesses/MOT should limit the number of links posted in general

Retailers/businesses/MOT can create a generalized thread about their store or brand for things like product announcements for non retailers, or sales/deals/information on the store for non producers, AS LONG AS that information stays inside that thread and is not copied or reposted to other threads

Retailers/businesses/MOT should not compare their product or service to another competing product or service

And many other things I haven’t really thought about since this was off the top of my head lol

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